tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post1553139603834903958..comments2024-03-24T05:21:33.293-04:00Comments on Eagle in Atlanta -- atleagle.com: How do you want the Expansion to play out?ATL_eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16014348799382628049noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-22361559181150877272010-05-16T22:29:50.408-04:002010-05-16T22:29:50.408-04:00What a wonderfully creative comeback. Thanks for ...What a wonderfully creative comeback. Thanks for the good laugh.Bravesbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132085833230451082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-14800016767375396452010-05-15T19:28:50.503-04:002010-05-15T19:28:50.503-04:00Bravesbill -- are you that redheaded bad basketb...Bravesbill -- are you that redheaded bad basketball player and ND fan you lament?mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-70748192475819831592010-05-15T16:09:24.200-04:002010-05-15T16:09:24.200-04:00And Mod, I only used "marquis" because i...And Mod, I only used "marquis" because it was in ATL's original post: <br /><br />"If this happens, I assume that the ACC has been striped of some of its marquis programs (FSU? North Carolina? Clemson?) and the Big East teams looking for partners are programs we want no part of (UConn, WVU)."<br /><br />Sorry for not thinking twice before I spelled it that way. That said, your hatred of Clemson is really unappealing. You're like the red-headed step-child that is jealous his parents pay more attention to his siblings. You're like the playground basketball loser that tries to tear everyone else down just to make himself feel better. You're like Notre Dame trying to claim its so fabulous and wonderful when everyone else knows you're not.Bravesbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132085833230451082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-25046625608014988052010-05-15T00:12:29.462-04:002010-05-15T00:12:29.462-04:00Clemson for Pitt is the only way to sorta but not ...Clemson for Pitt is the only way to sorta but not really make up for losing Clemson in football...their football program is okay, but their weight would come in the way of bball. But then we'd be slipping more into what the remnants of the BE would be--a bball conference that happens to play football on Saturdays.<br /><br />Adding Syracuse or Rutgers would be a huge net loss for the conference in football. Huge. And, besides, the ACC is looking at picking up the detritus if more than one team bolts...we don't have many good options. Who comes in if two teams leave? Clemson does nothing but add gravitas to the ACC for football, trust me. It doesn't matter if you're a proud Northerner or Canadian or Greenlandian. The ACC could be really screwed if Clemson leaves. Remember that if we're forced to play Rutgers in front of 28,000 fans at Alumni one Saturday afternoon. Ugh. It's not propaganda. It's the truth. College football is just different down here. It just is. <br /><br />Have at it...I'm done.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-36693504107611571242010-05-14T17:59:29.157-04:002010-05-14T17:59:29.157-04:00Mod, I congratulate you for sticking to your guns,...Mod, I congratulate you for sticking to your guns, but I have to respectfully disagree with your take on Clemson's respect across the country. No, they are not Alabama, but they have a standing that is respected well outside that 100 mile radius you drew around the campus. <br /><br />But when it comes down to it, the only people whose views on Clemson matter are bowl committee members, and guess what? Clemson travels and Clemson sells. It doesn't matter if it's been decades since their national title. The fans are visible, and that is a very valuable tiebreaker.Coasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17169212809658602017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-43775475790876809582010-05-14T17:41:06.577-04:002010-05-14T17:41:06.577-04:00CT -- i am a proud Northerner. Perhaps you have b...CT -- i am a proud Northerner. Perhaps you have been bombarded with far too much Clemson and SEC propaganda to be free of bias, not to mention too many Chik-Fil-A meals.<br /><br />by the way, I never suggested swapping out Clemson for USF or UCF. Heck no! maybe swap out Clemson for Pitt, or Rutgers or Syracuse. get a better northern footprint for the ACC. <br /><br />I really do not think Clemson is elite in anyway, nationally, ACC-wise, southern-wise etc.<br /><br />And football legitiamcy for the ACC won't be coming through Clemson, that's for sure.mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-55086698525588837392010-05-14T17:28:20.760-04:002010-05-14T17:28:20.760-04:00Losing Clemson to gain a Syracuse or USF or UCF wo...Losing Clemson to gain a Syracuse or USF or UCF would be awful for the conference. Obviously I think you're wrong about Clemson, Mod, and think you're being defensive for its own sake, but since you wouldn't miss the Tigers if they left, perhaps you'd do well to remember that the ACC is desperate for legitimacy in football at the moment, and switching out a rabid fanbase for crap like Syracuse--in football, which pays the bills--would be really bad. I don't know how you could disagree with that. Well, perhaps you could. Maybe just growing up in the south would've helped you not say such inane things.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-13673209704048312892010-05-14T16:46:41.867-04:002010-05-14T16:46:41.867-04:00darius --- are you kidding me? you think Clemson...darius --- are you kidding me? you think Clemson has wide respect throughout the land? No way.<br /><br />At best, its a regional school with strong support within a 100 mile radius of the school. <br /><br />Here is a small test: When BC was a BE team, before BC joined the ACC, were you ever impressed with Clemson's football prowess? Did you ever think of Clemson as an FSU? Miami? Alabama? Of course not. <br /><br />Clemson is not even impressive in the ACC. last ACC championship 1991!!! I would rate Clemson as the 7/12 best football program in the ACC (1 FSU, 2 Miami, 3 VTech, 4 GTech, 5 UNC, 6 BC, 7 Clemson)mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-26399487162860827902010-05-14T16:31:04.600-04:002010-05-14T16:31:04.600-04:00Oh Bravesbill are you upset and cursing? what a p...Oh Bravesbill are you upset and cursing? what a pity.<br /><br />but really, who is the one that's unintelligent here, Mr Marquis.<br /><br />But to be fair, maybe you've been reading too much about the Marquis de Sade and that is the source of your confusion? Is that it Mr Bravesbill?mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-7253045760380106642010-05-14T14:47:58.704-04:002010-05-14T14:47:58.704-04:00Evidently I can't use the term marquee properl...Evidently I can't use the term marquee properly either. Not that I'm losing any sleep over it.<br /><br />Anyway, mod, you don't have to have a perennial Top 10 team to be a marquee program. I agree that Clemson is a paper tiger, and has been annually overrated for literally decades. But hype and a great fanbase is what MAKES a program a marquee program. Alabama, Texas, USC, ND... these are marquee programs, but they're not always great or even good on the field. We BC fans like to hang our hats on wins over Texas in the 70s, Alabama in the 80s, and more recently ND and Penn State almost every time we play them. But the vast majority of those particular teams weren't much good. They just had that Name on their jerseys.<br /><br />A BC fan saying "no one cares about Clemson" is the equivalent of a wasp calling a tiger "pussy." Sure, you may sting it over and over on the field, but don't be so delusional that you forget who's really got the respect throughout the land.<br /><br />Losing Clemson to gain Syracuse or West Virginia is not a good trade. At all. I like Syracuse, but they don't have a tenth the following or street cred of Clemson. As far as West Virginia goes, even though the games would be good, it'd be swapping an ultra-classy program for an ultra-classless one. I thought that's the sort of thing we were all glad to get away from when we switched conferences.<br /><br />On further consideration, you guys are right about the Big 12. The conference has even said as much, that it'd recruit others to maintain that size. I do wonder who they'd take. Maybe some of those that actually made up the old SWC.<br /><br />If college football can be said to have a "heart," Atlanta is it.Dariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07846444942276961774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-49553383533731958082010-05-14T11:43:28.014-04:002010-05-14T11:43:28.014-04:00Mod=one big unintelligent douche.Mod=one big unintelligent douche.Bravesbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132085833230451082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-47680542952275919022010-05-14T10:26:08.414-04:002010-05-14T10:26:08.414-04:00Atlanta also sells out the opening kick off game e...Atlanta also sells out the opening kick off game every year and the Chik-fil-a Bowl every year. And in 2012 the College Football Hall of Fame is moving to Atlanta - so yeah, Atlanta matters in college football.Soxx22https://www.blogger.com/profile/15761938542180264525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-90254008297147147382010-05-14T01:07:24.446-04:002010-05-14T01:07:24.446-04:00mod
you clearly have no perception of college spor...mod<br />you clearly have no perception of college sports nationally. atlanta hosts the biggest college football game every year outside of the national championship (sec title game)bobblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14693136522885468918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-69203986511333890572010-05-13T22:10:34.012-04:002010-05-13T22:10:34.012-04:00Atlanta ! ha! talk about pointless and irrelevan...Atlanta ! ha! talk about pointless and irrelevant. <br /><br />except for you, BC Mike and our gracious host, ATL, not too many people care about Atlanta (or Clemson)mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-87279875952034456152010-05-13T22:02:36.853-04:002010-05-13T22:02:36.853-04:00Well, I would agree that Clemson isn't an Alab...Well, I would agree that Clemson isn't an Alabama, FSU, Texas, etc. But Clemson has a lot of cache in the south and, despite your dismissiveness of that fact--I've said b4 that Atlanta is the best big city college football town in the country--that means quite a bit. Marquis like USC? No. Marquis enough for the SEC to want them? Definitely. That's pretty huge. <br /><br />Actually, I think the ACC would be hurt if Clemson left--who else besides VTech and FSU sells tix? Nobody. Clemson is the closest thing to an SEC experience as the ACC gets. They used to play UGA every yr. <br /><br />Of course, with their nat'l champ. in football came cheating and probation...twice in the 80s...so, yeah, a natural fit for the SEC.<br /><br />But still, losing Clemson and adding...Syracuse? I mean, how irrelevant do you want to be in football?CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-14273930075837848322010-05-13T18:30:52.394-04:002010-05-13T18:30:52.394-04:00bbill - A marquee is what hangs over the theatre&#...bbill - A marquee is what hangs over the theatre's entrance; a marquee player is a player whose name goes on the marquee e.g a superlative; headlining player. A marquis is a form of nobleman. If you can't spell/use marquee correctly it is a little hard to take you seriously, not that I ever would take <i> you</i> seriously anyway.<br /><br />Clemson is well known in south carolina and Atlanta (big f'ing whoop), and Clemson has lots of rabid local southern fans but it is not a great program and not a big draw TV-wise or nationally....<br /><br />what have they done in the past 15 years? not much. compare Alabama, Florida, FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, even Va Tech. Clemson is a pretender to that group and thus not one of the marquee names in NCAA football.<br /><br />But i guess if they dressed up in armor and rode horses they could be a marquis program.<br /><br />and losing Clemson to the SEC would be no big deal for the ACC. a huge coup for Clemson, but no biggie for the ACC to replace themmod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-7189711377899386122010-05-13T11:23:04.371-04:002010-05-13T11:23:04.371-04:00I agree with the above three comments.I agree with the above three comments.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-50849180704021442262010-05-13T10:54:29.620-04:002010-05-13T10:54:29.620-04:00Mod--Clemson is a marquis football program. It ha...Mod--Clemson is a marquis football program. It has a ton of money and it has a huge and loyal fan base. College sports in South Carolina is EVERYTHING. Trust me, I unfortunately live here at the moment. As for Darius, the Big 12 will never become the Big 8 again because it will lose its ability to have a championship game, which is one of the main reasons the ACC expanded. There is no way the Big 12 would ever give up that kind of money.Bravesbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132085833230451082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-77021286690950056112010-05-13T10:35:10.451-04:002010-05-13T10:35:10.451-04:00I agree with the above two comments.I agree with the above two comments.Walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14797187025091891592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-21503340930141713202010-05-13T02:47:59.033-04:002010-05-13T02:47:59.033-04:00We should join the WCHA and lay waste to Wisconsin...We should join the WCHA and lay waste to Wisconsin, North Dakota and Minnesota on a regular basis instead of only in March/April.Joe Gravellesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01640271547237583491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-31614707074720185972010-05-12T23:54:27.571-04:002010-05-12T23:54:27.571-04:00Hockey East is the only conference that matters.Hockey East is the only conference that matters.SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02413522568333212843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-52986400281698396802010-05-12T22:48:40.098-04:002010-05-12T22:48:40.098-04:00Darius. Clemson is a hype machine with A great fa...Darius. Clemson is a hype machine with A great fan base, it is not a marquee football program. Don't believe otherwise<br /><br />In fact I would love to see Clemson leave the ACC and be replaced by syracuse or even WVamod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-56350125301424318852010-05-12T17:39:35.536-04:002010-05-12T17:39:35.536-04:00blist: there's wiggle room in the Big Ten bowl...blist: there's wiggle room in the Big Ten bowl assignments.<br /><br />The ACC going forward: the league is not so awesome that some of the teams wouldn't jump ship to the SEC. Arkansas left powerhouse Texas and TAMU rivals, as well as 75 years of history with the SWC, behind to join the SEC. FSU and Clemson would ditch their shorter affiliations in a hurry to go to another conference that offered more money--especially one to which their principal rival already belonged. Heck, South Carolina left the ACC, two years after winning it, with NO destination in mind. By the way, Clemson *is* a marquis program. Not a marquis school, but program. Just to be clear: academics don't drive any of this, much though we'd all like to pretend they do. It's all about money. Not academics, or geography, or even competitiveness. The loss of Clemson would badly hurt the ACC bowl lineup.<br /><br />Speaking of bowls, blist, BC gets shafted because our little fanbase doesn't travel. That's a fact. Skip the lousy location-opponent-prestige-date-cost explanations. We. Simply. Don't. Travel. BC will ALWAYS get hosed on bowls, no matter the conference.<br /><br />Also, I don't care about the Gator Bowl. There, I said it.<br /><br />Scott- Vandy to the ACC is intriguing, but I agree with coast. And see my comments regarding Clemson.<br /><br />My best-case scenario for all this is it killing the NBE, turning the Big 12 back into the Big 8, and having only a small scale effect on the ACC. Losing one team--be it Maryland or UNC or FSU or Clemson or VT or someone else--and replacing it with Syracuse. I like the conference at 12 teams, not only because of logistics but economics: there simply aren't four teams out there for the taking that would enhance the conference such that the TV contracts and other revensue streams would deliver more money to each member. <br /><br />If Syracuse were to replace *VT* in the ACC, it naturally would be designated as BC's rival. Which would *ta-da* open up the schedule again. Now what? God, I hate to think of what GDF would do. I'd love to see a big game added. But I expect we'll hear that having conquered Central Michigan, the team's now going to prove itself against Eastern and Western, too.Dariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07846444942276961774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-19369823138085098892010-05-12T17:37:54.096-04:002010-05-12T17:37:54.096-04:00Be forewarned: This is a long, long post. So long...Be forewarned: This is a long, long post. So long, in fact, that I have to split it into two. Forgive me my ranting; I've been away for a while.<br /><br />Lots of excitement here. A lot of it feels like offseason crazy talk: hot stove, but of programs and conferences instead of players and teams. Please let the season start soon.<br /><br />Right off the bat is the sticking point: Notre Dame isn't going anywhere. Not right now, anyway. That squashes a whole lot of the hypotheticals out there. Driven by hubris, they've marketed themselves as above the whole conference thing and it's served them well for many decades. So they will continue to do so. I suspect this time it will come back to bite them in the ass and they'll start exploring their options a few years AFTER this whole thing shakes out, maybe catching on to a good situation maybe not. But definitely missing out on the opportunity they've got to dictate some terms right now.<br /><br />I don't get why the Big Ten feels it needs to go to 14 or 16. Whatever number-crunching they've done to convince them it's worth it is certainly counterintuitive to me.<br /><br />I am surprised by the occasional BC to the ACC mentions. Much as I'd like it (I live in the Midwest), it makes about as much sense as Stanford or Boise State. How haven't these been mentioned?<br /><br />CT-I don't like the way this is shaking out for BC and the ACC either. But you are right about getting out of the Big East. I like where we're sitting better than where we'd be sitting if still in that cluster****. The Big East is dead. Between the time Miami and VT left, and BC followed, prompting the overexpansion, I must have said a million times in a thousand that the NBE was unsustainable and would be dead in 5 years. This isn't exactly how I envisioned it, but was there ever really any doubt that it would implode or be the sacrificial lamb of the next shift in NCAA conference affiliations? <br /><br />On a side note, how ironic and perfect it would be if VT went SEC and Syracuse came on board in the ACC. That was supposed to be the plan all along, before politics screwed it up. Incidentally, I believe that the ACC would cure Syracuse football. They need money, pure and simple. The lack thereof in the Big East is what's slowly bleeding them out. They've got a long tradition. They can and have recruited amazing talent to that nowhereville tundra. Money can rebuild their stadium, and rebuild their staff, and rebuild their whole program.<br /><br />By the way, screw UConn.Dariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07846444942276961774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-47036179081281175022010-05-12T15:56:47.385-04:002010-05-12T15:56:47.385-04:00It's my understanding, though I could be wrong...It's my understanding, though I could be wrong, Big Ten tells the bowls what teams to take, based on end of season raking - i.e. there's no wiggle roomblisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17738621049003351937noreply@blogger.com