tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post6974588480466064545..comments2024-03-24T05:21:33.293-04:00Comments on Eagle in Atlanta -- atleagle.com: Staying aliveATL_eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16014348799382628049noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-18603382656958158302009-11-16T22:10:24.615-05:002009-11-16T22:10:24.615-05:00mod34,
Congratulations, you have been awarded the...mod34,<br /><br />Congratulations, you have been awarded the "Obama" Prize for backpedaling. This most recent post was lucid, well thought and in general a good argument. This was a 180 degree turn from your earlier comments where all of these other schools were "equal or better" than BC, which would mean that at best BC is in some sort of tie for last place. <br /><br />You use the vague term "comparable", which I can get behind, because although it allows teams like Duke and Vandy to be in the same breath as BC, it allows BC to be mentioned in the same instance as VT, Miami and FSU. <br /><br />I do not think most people here think BC is consistently a top 10 team, but I do think most tried and true BC fans feel that this decade has earned BC fans the right to think of their team as a consistent 15-25 program, with the occasional year where they deviate both above and below this range. <br /><br />I offer this new metric for the trend of a program. The following lists were compiled by ESPN in 2007 as the most Over and Under rated teams for the ten years. The formula uses the difference between the team's beginning position in the rankings and its final ranking.<br /><br />Most overrated teams in last 10 years:<br /><br />1. Florida State (-63)<br />2. Tennessee (-58)<br />3. Washington (-42)<br />4. Miami (-35)<br />T5. Ohio State (-34)<br />T5. Nebraska (-34)<br />7. Florida (-33 1/2)<br />8. Michigan (-25)<br />9. Texas (-24)<br />10. Clemson (-22) <br /><br />Most underrated teams in last 10 years:<br /><br />1. Washington St. (+51)<br />2. Boise State (+48)<br />3. Oregon (+32 1/2)<br />4. Arkansas (+26)<br />5. Wisconsin (+23)<br />6. Louisville (+20)<br />7. TCU (+18)<br />T8. Boston College (+17)<br />T8. Iowa (+17)<br />T8. Maryland (+17)<br /><br />I don't see any of the other "Academic" schools on the list, which means that not only do they not start out in the rankings like the overrated teams, they also do not achieve success during the season to end up much better than they started like BC.<br /><br />Anyway, see you at the AT&T Field (formerly PacBell) parking lot, Level: B, row: C, spot: 22 on Dec 26th.eagleinexilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04948677353433374291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-83200660432696448672009-11-16T11:00:58.902-05:002009-11-16T11:00:58.902-05:00Matthew, you and your silly facts. They're jus...Matthew, you and your silly facts. They're just facts. Stop. <br /><br />And yes, the effort was great but the juice is not worth the squeeze.<br /><br />You and your truth. You're a crazy dude.<br /><br />I say we grab some torches, go party with Eagleinexile and the posse, and then go burn down Conte in a show of protest that the Stanfords and Wakes are passing us by. Don't worry, no one will be inside.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-56647795457803370662009-11-16T10:37:31.704-05:002009-11-16T10:37:31.704-05:00EagleX;
You ask:
In all seriousness, what are yo...EagleX;<br /><br />You ask:<br /><br />In all seriousness, what are you trying to say here, that BC sucks at football in relation to all the academically focused schools that play D-1 football and they are all superior to BC in academics too?<br /><br />How did you arrive at that question? I never said BC sucks -- you did. I said these other football programs are comparable to BC, and they are<br /><br />Consider Kuechly, the schools that most seriously recruited him were Stanford, UVA, Duke and BC. Doesn't that suggest that these other schools are comparable to BC? I think it does.<br /><br />Do people really think BC is consistently a top 10, top 15 progam? We are usually a top 20-35program, with the ability to bust into the top 10 once a decade. So are these other programs, usually, and hence are comparable. (ok Vandy does not cut it here)<br /><br />Sure over the last 5 years, BC is better than UVA, UNC, Stanford. These are all great schools that do a great job maintaining academic standards for the University and fielding decent football teams. BC should be proud to be in such company and no one should be upset if some of these programs are better than BC's and some are BC's equal.mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-56271367739231047132009-11-16T10:34:02.225-05:002009-11-16T10:34:02.225-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-6300958107659546462009-11-16T09:06:23.274-05:002009-11-16T09:06:23.274-05:00PLAYING HOUSE: Virginia Tech linebacker Cody Grimm...PLAYING HOUSE: Virginia Tech linebacker Cody Grimm needs only two credits to graduate in December and is taking just one class: House planning.<br />House planning? What is that?<br />"I don’t really know," Grimm said. "It’s all about setting up how you build a house and what should be what size and stuff. It’s kind of interesting."<br />But it’s probably knowledge he will never put to use.<br />"I’ll probably just buy a house already built, if I can," he said.<br /><br />As for Stanford, it definitely has BC beat academically and it is one of the top schools athletically across the board, but its athletes take courses in their sports for credit (!) -- or at least that was the case when I was in grad school there (Elway). North Carolina's football team was replete with "recreation" majors the last time I was at a game in Chapel Hill. Neither of those have come close to matching BC's football success in the last decade. And, don't forget Matt Leinert's "Ballroom Dancing" course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-69693546409660050922009-11-16T00:26:53.053-05:002009-11-16T00:26:53.053-05:00Mod34B, one season, let alone one game does not ma...Mod34B, one season, let alone one game does not make a program. Looking at one game means we do what we need to do in order to win on the road. One game shows that our defense doesn't give up TD's while on the road. Similarly, one season only shows flash in the pans. USC doesn't win championships based on one season. Hell, looking at one season means Boise State never sees the top 10 of the BCS. Boise State's ranking is based on their program's success. That means their success over multiple seasons.<br /><br />Expand your sample size past 1 season (or 1 game) and look at Matthew's numbers. You'll see that none of those programs compare with the consistent success that BC has enjoyed over the past decade.<br /><br />Its funny that you give CT so much grief over being a downer, yet you consistently compare us to inferior programs. Its no wonder you're always satisfied with our performances, you're comparing them to the teams of the 90s.Danny Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00307800426123780860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-15321874437994202952009-11-16T00:21:23.145-05:002009-11-16T00:21:23.145-05:00So, the basis of whether a school's football p...So, the basis of whether a school's football program is superior to ours is whether or not they are ranked right now or who won the last time the schools met?<br /><br />C'mon this is flawed logic. If winning 8 or 9 games every year was so easy, then everyone would do it. Everybody puts softies on the schedule, so don't give me that crap about our 8 or 9 wins a year being inflated. Let's talk about the UVA you seem to think is just as good, but in a funk, lost to William and Mary AT HOME! When was the last time BC lost to a 1-AA team? What about a team like Michigan? We were ranked last year, they weren't, by your logic we'd be the better program, Michigan is also high on the Academic scale. Then there's Wake, whom we beat, and they beat Stanford. What, is there no transitive property of football dominance in the Mods these days?<br /><br />In all seriousness, what are you trying to say here, that BC sucks at football in relation to all the academically focused schools that play D-1 football and they are all superior to BC in academics too?<br /><br />Well, when you're right, you're right. Grab the torches and gasoline, let's march to Conte and burn all of those trophies and displays, because God knows Wake is better!eagleinexilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04948677353433374291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-12987621956691519782009-11-16T00:11:03.425-05:002009-11-16T00:11:03.425-05:00this conversation is dog squeeze!this conversation is dog squeeze!blockpartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13586091271357112989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-20614979957186975772009-11-16T00:01:35.063-05:002009-11-16T00:01:35.063-05:00Good nightGood nightmod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-88907068408438911502009-11-15T23:55:49.679-05:002009-11-15T23:55:49.679-05:00if that's all the thought that you're goin...if that's all the thought that you're going to put into this discussion, then I've already put in too much. <br /><br />Disregard 6 wins in a row vs. ND. <br /><br />I think we played Stanford to open 2002, and we beat them. That should mean something in your twisted mind. <br /><br />Is it really hard to say that we are better than Vandy? If I were you, I'd retract that statement and try to retain any credibility that you might have on this blog. <br /><br />I could pick apart a lot more of your arguments about conferences, this year meaning everything for some teams (Stanford) but nothing for others (Virginia), and others, but like I said.... already too much time put it on this end.matthew2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13672449714617109618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-90481493421156081112009-11-15T23:43:03.794-05:002009-11-15T23:43:03.794-05:00Vandy beat us last year
Stanford is ranked; we are...Vandy beat us last year<br />Stanford is ranked; we aren't <br />UVA has had very good teams, but is in a funk as of late;<br />UNC is ranked;<br />Wake -- tough game every year<br />GTech is ranked;<br />ND beat us;<br />USC is USC <br /><br />These football programs are all better or equal to BC<br /><br />Vandy is bit of a stretch footballwise, but they are in the SEC and did beat us, so its hard to say we are so superior to themmod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-71946115034043031552009-11-15T23:22:07.668-05:002009-11-15T23:22:07.668-05:00I didn't argue the academic quote, just poked ...I didn't argue the academic quote, just poked fun at you scanning the pages. <br /><br />As far as football programs -- Duke, which you names. <br /><br />Look at Vandy -- the last 15 years, here are their win totals. <br /><br />2, 2, 3, 2, 5, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 5, 3, 5, 7. 2. One winning season, (last year). I know they beat BC in the bowl game to get over .500. Please don't use that as part of your argument in why they have a program near our level. <br /><br />Virginia, while being a step up from Vandy, is a program going in the wrong direction. After a few seasons of relative success at the beginning o the decade, their last 5 seasons include (2005 through this year, in order) 7-5, 5-7, 9-4, 5-7, 3-7. Their coach is about to be fired, as their third sub .500 season out of 5 comes to a close. <br /><br />Going back to 2002 Stanford's records (quickest data I could find, I bet it's bad further back too) -- 2-9, 4-7, 4-7, 5-6, 1-11, 4-8, 5-7, 7-3. Yes Jim Harbaugh has them on the right track this year... but this program is nowhere near our level. <br /><br />UNC? -- In the last 12 years, their combined record is 63-79. Since 02, here are their win totals -- 3, 2, 6, 5, 3, 4, 8 and 7 so far this year. Again, they seem to be going in the right direction, but two years does not mean their program compares to ours. Again, after we beat them in the bowl in 04, they upset us in 05 and pounded us in 07, but that doesn't mean you can say their program is better than ours. <br /><br />Just for reference, BC's totals in the last 8 years, again, me being lazy include -- 9, 8, 9, 9, 10, 11, 9, and 7 so far this year. That is pretty good, compared to some of those teams you presented. I'm not going to take the time to look up Wake, as I see them as a somewhat similar program... ND is ND.... a great history, mediocre in modern times with a somewhat soft schedule. USC is clearly superior. And GA Tech for reference in the last 8 years? 7 wins 5 times, 9 wins twice, and 10 so far this year. They are having a pretty special year, but how far they go remains to be seen. <br /><br />Actually, I just looked up Wake -- in the last 8 years, here are their records ---- 7-6, 5-7, 4-7, 4-7, 11-3 (BCS loss to Louisville), 9-4, 8-5, and 4-7 this year....<br /><br />Even when it seems like we are having a down year, look at the wins we are able to still rack up as compared to a well-coached Wake team that has seen some success in the last couple of years. <br /><br />Tell me if you disagree despite the numbersmatthew2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13672449714617109618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-20185546938164010542009-11-15T22:50:41.326-05:002009-11-15T22:50:41.326-05:00c'mon matthew cough it up!c'mon matthew cough it up!mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-27029032360021143802009-11-15T22:49:53.640-05:002009-11-15T22:49:53.640-05:001. Which school* on my list is academically inferi...1. Which school* on my list is academically inferior to BC (or who is BC better than on my list)mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-57285153246973472772009-11-15T22:47:30.399-05:002009-11-15T22:47:30.399-05:00So fellas, let's get past the feigned dismay a...So fellas, let's get past the feigned dismay and tell me: <br /><br />1. Which program on my list is academically inferior to BC (or who is BC better than on my list) <br /><br />2. BC's football program is clearly superior over which listed football program (except Duke, we still got them)mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-55076299255264034152009-11-15T22:35:40.950-05:002009-11-15T22:35:40.950-05:00(mod34b furiously scans the pages of US News and W...(mod34b furiously scans the pages of US News and World Report annual college rankings to prove his point)<br /><br />gonna be tougher to prove that some of those football programs are even close to ours.matthew2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13672449714617109618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-10343427702120953582009-11-15T22:34:45.951-05:002009-11-15T22:34:45.951-05:00Wow, this conversation certainly has spun out of c...Wow, this conversation certainly has spun out of control. Let's get back to football.<br /><br />BlockParty, thanks for the kudos, glad you liked the reference. <br /><br />Well, since no one appears to be looking ahead with any optimism, here's some incentive:<br /><br />If we go to the Emerald Bowl, I will hold a tailgate, and it will be free burgers and kool-aid for all my insane friends. Okay, beer or bourbon instead of kool-aid, but you get the idea, then after we club Cal or Stanford, we can march (stumble) back to the Union Square Westin with the team, and party until they kick us out. It was better when this was on New Year's Eve because then we had an excuse to be partying in a hotel lobby past midnight, but it's all good as long as you stay nearby.<br /><br />RSVP, pleaseeagleinexilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04948677353433374291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-71200299129111161092009-11-15T22:04:14.264-05:002009-11-15T22:04:14.264-05:00Mod, I wasn't calling myself insane.
Oh, and ...Mod, I wasn't calling myself insane.<br /><br />Oh, and I disagree with almost every word in your last post.<br /><br />"All better schools..." What?? No, they're all good schools. Big difference. <br /><br />"All better football programs..." <br /><br />Wow.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-44514402472607166152009-11-15T21:51:38.603-05:002009-11-15T21:51:38.603-05:00"How about GTech, ND, Stanford, UNC, USC, UVA..."How about GTech, ND, Stanford, UNC, USC, UVA, Duke, Wake, Vandy, etc. all better schools, all better (or more-or-less equal) football programs (ok, except Duke, but they are climbing)"<br /><br /><br />What? Am I misreading some of those teams? You really feel that we aren't noticeably better than some of those programs? BC football is worse off than I thought...matthew2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13672449714617109618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-90003684833403366312009-11-15T21:35:03.072-05:002009-11-15T21:35:03.072-05:00Vtech might be a "good school", but do a...Vtech might be a "good school", but do all or most of their football players go to school in a way recognizable as worthy of a university? How does the education Doug Flutie or Matt Ryan received compare with the one the Vick brothers had? Do we have apparel majors or courses in house decoration? Many "good" and better schools have places they stick their ball players, course sequences that would embarrass a decent high school. Let's not defend those who seek advantage by such means.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00077824974960803162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-35461503075310157732009-11-15T21:02:33.787-05:002009-11-15T21:02:33.787-05:00Mmason --
"BC is a great university battling...Mmason --<br /><br />"BC is a great university battling against football powers that have little aspiration to be known as Academic powerhouses. How dare we challenge a Va Tech? "<br /><br />Vtech is a good school. So don't get so high and mighty about BC. BC ain't at the top of the academic heap (yet!) and is not an academic powerhouse.<br /><br />How about GTech, ND, Stanford, UNC, USC, UVA, Duke, Wake, Vandy, etc. all better schools, all better (or more-or-less equal) football programs (ok, except Duke, but they are climbing)<br /><br />ps Mmason. We won. what more do you need?mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-26670901175664857462009-11-15T20:28:07.661-05:002009-11-15T20:28:07.661-05:00Mod--I can understand CT's state of mind--when...Mod--I can understand CT's state of mind--when our present BC squad squanders opportunities to dominate lesser teams, like VA and ND, and we suffer Death by FG to Clemson, and just look badly prepared for the Big Games, it's frustrating...Having sat in the stands as an undergrad, watching a Joe Pa or a WV annihilate us for years, I don't want to see those years of mediocre play ever return. <br /><br />When we look poorly prepared or uninspired as we did against a Virginia, it makes some of us crazy. But, I agree with CT that we are definitely headed in the right direction to big things...IF we adapt and become less conservative (e.g., going for it on 4th & 1, mixing it up more and looking less "tranquil" in battle) this could be a great team in a year or two.<br /><br />Sometimes the pains of old scars die hard...<br />Then again--we gladly are not a USC, who just got schooled with their worst defeat in history, paid out to them by a real School. I see BC and the kids from Palo Alto with the same dilemma. Plaschke in the L.A. Times called Stanford a "perennial loser", who had no business bringing the Trojans down yesterday. ESPN sees the Eagles in often the same light. BC is a great university battling against football powers that have little aspiration to be known as Academic powerhouses. How dare we challenge a Va Tech? If a Stanford can rise to those heights...well, all puns intended, y'all can finish this BC thought with ease. Go Eagles!! No Fear!!mmasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10069140509176448295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-60316996925258591262009-11-15T20:16:56.552-05:002009-11-15T20:16:56.552-05:00Insanity is the act of repeating the same activity...Insanity is the act of repeating the same activity while expecting a different result.<br /><br />So why do you keep watching BC and expecting a different result if you beleive nothing has or will change at BC. You seem to dislike hope or at least have no clue as to where to find the stuff!mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-8617878935407305682009-11-15T19:54:50.050-05:002009-11-15T19:54:50.050-05:00Ok, mod34b, silly argument. We've played two g...Ok, mod34b, silly argument. We've played two good defensive teams this year and been crushed. As in, no first downs for a half crushed. <br /><br />I didn't realize the best record went to the ACCCG. <br /><br />It's not a downer. What's the definition of insanity? <br /><br />A spade is a spade. If you're having trouble seeing it...too bad.<br /><br />2009 is really all about 2011. In the meantime, I can't wait for the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Charlotte is beautiful in late December. Think of all the banks you can visit.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-10378637131285307702009-11-15T19:36:36.125-05:002009-11-15T19:36:36.125-05:00CT -- why do you bother with BC football if it'...CT -- why do you bother with BC football if it's such a downer for you? Root for Florida or Texas instead if you seek consistent excellence in football and all that entails.<br /><br />Does Clemson derserve the ACCCG given that they sucked against Maryland? Silly argument. Best record is the one who 'deserves' the ACCCG. Those are the rules.mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.com