tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post911565838631220484..comments2024-03-24T05:21:33.293-04:00Comments on Eagle in Atlanta -- atleagle.com: Ranking BC among the Musical Chairs participantsATL_eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16014348799382628049noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-12706149779293796682012-11-20T23:31:25.291-05:002012-11-20T23:31:25.291-05:00A lot of these posters are suffering from battered...A lot of these posters are suffering from battered women syndrome. They have simply been beaten down too much by Spaz. That said, the ACC is in a much better place than the Big 12 I think. The Big 12 relies solely on Texas and Oklahoma to a lesser extent. The SEC and Pac 12 would love to get both schools. When they go, that conference collapses and the ACC better be ready to take some teams in (West Virginia). As for right now, if you wanted to replace Maryland, the ACC has to get Louisville. UConn brings nothing to the table. It's football program is back to being a joke and Calhoun has retired. It also doesn't add a new television market. Louisville has a great football program under Strong and is the #2 team in the country in basketball under Pitino. This is an easy no-brainer.Bravesbillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132085833230451082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-24499888556695343872012-11-20T22:37:54.549-05:002012-11-20T22:37:54.549-05:00It's not about aspiring, its that we may not h...It's not about aspiring, its that we may not have a choice.<br /><br />VT is already making public overtures to the SEC. <br /><br />https://twitter.com/TheClubhouseKB/status/271069601989799936<br /><br />The ACC as we know it might be over in a matter of months.Walsh601https://www.blogger.com/profile/09284386413939517686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-45487404803606670932012-11-20T22:15:34.694-05:002012-11-20T22:15:34.694-05:00Fuck Spaz for what he has done to some of you. BC ...Fuck Spaz for what he has done to some of you. BC is better than some joke second tier regional conference, or we should certainly aspire to be if we are not.starvshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07222014305940972404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-44887805691162096052012-11-20T21:26:31.332-05:002012-11-20T21:26:31.332-05:00You have a guy who retired or was forced out in 83...You have a guy who retired or was forced out in 83 taking credit for success a year and two years after he left. <br /><br />Now there certainly may be other factors, but we just went through an election where every side claims economists agree their plan is the best...now we have an article citing various opinions. Not a valid point. Most of the large increases for BC applications pre-Flutie was purely from admission of women and increased applicants nationally. <br /><br />Oh...Alabama is climbing academic rankings. Something tells me it has to do with Saban...but what do I know?C. Scanzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768253627721500581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-52260240257768640192012-11-20T21:06:11.331-05:002012-11-20T21:06:11.331-05:00mod, Fr. Monan and Dr. Campanella certainly deserv...mod, Fr. Monan and Dr. Campanella certainly deserve enormous credit for BC's academic reputation. We'll have to agree to disagree re: the "Flutie effect". <br /><br />I want us to live up to "Ever to Excel" in all areas. We have a pretty good track record in maintaining our high academic standards while (until recently) fielding pretty formidable teams in all major sports. It can be done. Success begets success, which is a major reason Spaziani's utter ineptitude and gutlessness make me livid. <br /><br />I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of conference realignments; I simply want BC to be in a position to win over tough opponents regularly.dixieaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923834034976250382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-69273160847049966462012-11-20T18:39:31.301-05:002012-11-20T18:39:31.301-05:00"Notre Dame/ACC/Big 10 broker a deal to send ..."Notre Dame/ACC/Big 10 broker a deal to send Maryland to the Big 10, Maryland gets to leave without paying the fee(and maintain its athletic integrity) and the ACC doesn;t care because ND is in the ACC."<br /><br />Enough with this conspiracy theory mnonsense. We already know how they can afford it, they explained it yesterday. The BiG is giving Maryland an interest free loan. Maryland will be making about $100 million more by 2020 than if they would've stayed, they can easily pay the loan back.<br /><br /><br />See I was not aware of the loan. Knew there was no way MD was paying it upfront though.<br /><br />knuckleheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04805180161124683145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-82732655863696532882012-11-20T18:30:58.373-05:002012-11-20T18:30:58.373-05:00Dixie - sorry not Neenan, but Fr. Monan and Frank ...Dixie - sorry not Neenan, but Fr. Monan and Frank Campanella<br /><br />"So was the Flutie factor real? The answer is that Doug Flutie increased applications to Boston College, but not nearly as much as the public and the media believe or as academic planners at some institutions seem to hope in justifying the millions of dollars they invest in football.<br /><br />Applications to BC did surge 16 percent in 1984 (from 12,414 to 14,398), and then another 12 percent (to 16,163) in 1985. But these jumps were not anomalous for BC, which in the previous decade had embarked on a program to build national enrollment using market research, a network of alumni volunteers, strategically allocated financial aid, and improvements to residence halls and academic facilities, says John Maguire '61, Ph.D.'66. The chairman of the board of Maguire Associates, a well-known enrollment management consulting firm, Maguire headed admissions at BC from 1971 to 1983. "Doug Flutie cemented things, but the J. Donald Monan factor and the Frank Campanella factor are the real story," he said, referring to BC's former president and executive vice president."mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-46206312192797581312012-11-20T18:26:29.332-05:002012-11-20T18:26:29.332-05:00Dixie, please read this articleDixie, please read <a href="http://bcm.bc.edu/issues/spring_2003/ll_phenomenology.html" rel="nofollow"> this article</a>mod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-34391309705068180462012-11-20T17:53:39.698-05:002012-11-20T17:53:39.698-05:00There are presently 14 voting members in the ACC. ...There are presently 14 voting members in the ACC. If the numbers in the SI story are correct( which is doubtful) $45 mil to Big 10 members and only $24 mil to the ACC in 2017 then what would stop ND and 9 other ACC schools from bolting the ACC and forming their own new conference. They could get out from under the horrendous deal Swafford negotiate a few years back. A two third majority could lower the exit fee to $one mil. The new conference could form their own network in alliance with the PAC 12, thus unshackling itself from Swafford's handiwork. A market value deal might be attainable. 2. Big East commissioner Tranghese was warned years ago not to throw Temple out of the conference. It would be a crass act done solely for money and that it would eventually backfire. You sow what you reap. Look at the state of the BE today. Nice work MR. Commissioner.3. Did anyone note the pleasantries and well wishes extended to Maryland and Rutgers upon their exits. A slightly different approach from what BC received on their departure. It got a smear from classless Boeheim, classless Pitt and classless Syracuse. HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all and thanks again ATLANTA for this great site.NEDofSavinHillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337433376275407168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-71859195126900850442012-11-20T17:28:17.459-05:002012-11-20T17:28:17.459-05:00"Notre Dame/ACC/Big 10 broker a deal to send ..."Notre Dame/ACC/Big 10 broker a deal to send Maryland to the Big 10, Maryland gets to leave without paying the fee(and maintain its athletic integrity) and the ACC doesn;t care because ND is in the ACC."<br /><br />Enough with this conspiracy theory mnonsense. We already know how they can afford it, they explained it yesterday. The BiG is giving Maryland an interest free loan. Maryland will be making about $100 million more by 2020 than if they would've stayed, they can easily pay the loan back.<br />Walsh601https://www.blogger.com/profile/09284386413939517686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-43522014512158341222012-11-20T16:06:21.758-05:002012-11-20T16:06:21.758-05:00mod34b, have to disagree completely with your view...mod34b, have to disagree completely with your view of the "Flutie effect"; there is no denying the excitement and interest he generated (e.g., 30% increase in applications over the following 2 years.) Research has actually been done (by profs from the Wharton School and Va. Tech) which shows it is not a "myth." <br /><br />Fr. Neenan deserves plenty of credit for BC's academic success, though his tenure as Academic VP began in '87, by which time BC had a higher profile nationally, allowing for greater selectivity in admissions. (My husband and I have often said that neither of us would get in to BC, were we to apply today with the same h.s. creds we had in 1970.) <br /><br />Bottom line... if Stanford and Notre Dame can do it, we can do it, with the right people. In which conference? I have no idea.dixieaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923834034976250382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-33179822900006490912012-11-20T15:56:49.271-05:002012-11-20T15:56:49.271-05:00Time will tell if the 50 million doesn't mean ...Time will tell if the 50 million doesn't mean anything. The details have yet to be disclosed.<br /><br />I find to hard to believe that the state university of Maryland/ State of Maryland itself is willing to pay $50 million to the ACC out of its own pocket.<br /><br />If the exit $$ is not waived by the ACC then the Big 10 will defer some of the cost. Under a scenario where ND is not involved.<br /><br />Point being that the 50 mill. would be an obstacle if the University of Maryland were paying for it in-full out of pocket. I just do not believe that they are or will.<br /><br />Think about it, the University of Maryland has a $792 million endowment(2011). The 50 mill is 6%of the entire endowment. There is no way they are paying that on their own upfront in order to leave the ACC. <br /><br />Hmmm . . . under what scenario would Maryland be able to leave the conference without having to pay the exorbitant exit fee and without having its athletic reputation destroyed . . . <br /><br />Notre Dame/ACC/Big 10 broker a deal to send Maryland to the Big 10, Maryland gets to leave without paying the fee(and maintain its athletic integrity) and the ACC doesn;t care because ND is in the ACC.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Knuckleheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847627726401491567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-12666954115002434682012-11-20T15:22:45.008-05:002012-11-20T15:22:45.008-05:00Anyone who thinks this is stopping at Maryland is ...Anyone who thinks this is stopping at Maryland is blind. The move itself is a big WHO CARES...except it shows that $50 million fence is worthless. FSU and Clemson leaving would be a beginning of the end, no doubt. VT isn't tagging itself to UVA anymore and would surely bolt separately if it could. C. Scanzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768253627721500581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-13746514609148999392012-11-20T14:44:29.528-05:002012-11-20T14:44:29.528-05:00Anyone who thinks we are chasing the SEC is deliri...Anyone who thinks we are chasing the SEC is delirious. Anyone who thinks that we are dropping to the IVY League/ Patriot League level is dumb.<br /><br />Let's go crazy because Maryland left the ACC.<br /><br />The best that happens is that ND joins. The worst that happens is that UCONN joins.<br /><br />The league is not going to fall apart. <br /><br />Ultimately when the leagues get to big(PAC-10, SEC, B-10, B-12) the federal government will be forced to blowup the conferences, make everyone independent and create a Division I-AA type tournament. Each school will sign it's own deal with media outlets and schedule games as it wants.<br />Knuckleheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847627726401491567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-12128942451395593542012-11-20T13:59:29.245-05:002012-11-20T13:59:29.245-05:00"Big money NCAA football" is a redundant..."Big money NCAA football" is a redundant phrase. Everyone is in it for the money, and there's nothing wrong with that. Applications soared after the '93 win vs. ND. Can the athletic dep't fund itself and can football market the school? You don't have to sell your soul to accomplish both. There's only one Alabama, one LSU, one USC, etc., but to suggest that everyone is NOT cheating on some level with perks would be naive. We can be a realistic Jesuit university that understands we fight the uphill battle in football, but that there's nobility in that. There's no nobility in reducing our already marginal football profile. <br /><br />Some of these comments are weird. Drop back into a sort of rich-man's FCS? Really? Have you seen Stanford play lately? It's not all Harbaugh and Luck. It can be done consistently, but you need to get the train moving in the right direction first. The ACC is a weak conference and is in fact winnable with better recruiting and better coaching. I think Spaz has successfully dumbed down expectations of the blogosphere, however. Or maybe it's a native Atlantan like me incredulous at the thought of the northeastern mentality on college football. I don't know. Some of these comments are like Spaz's altogether dour halftime interviews. Let's just kneel down and play tight to minimize our chance to win three games this season.<br /><br />The biggest issue will be, I think, keeping FSU and Clemson in the league. They've flirted with the Big 12 and if they go elsewhere, the ACC will have no football relevance whatsoever, esp. considering upcoming sanctions on Miami and UNC. We don't have to be the SEC, but there is a happy medium that the conference hasn't landed in yet. <br /><br />I don't know how ATL came up with his rankings for likelihood of who goes where, but FSU and Clemson are the lynchpins imho. No matter what happens though, BC needs to stay at the Big Boy table. You can convince yourself it's for the money, the prestige, the opportunity to prove it can be done without systemic cheating, I don't care. The alternative is irrelevance. Spaz may be driving the bus to it's capital, but we're not there yet. CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-32825180260029550382012-11-20T13:48:29.021-05:002012-11-20T13:48:29.021-05:00No one from the Big12 is leaving. They did the sm...No one from the Big12 is leaving. They did the smart thing and every member did a "grant of rights". If anyone from the Big12 leaves, TV rights for that team remain with the Big12 conference. Walsh601https://www.blogger.com/profile/09284386413939517686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-71354517752221904692012-11-20T13:12:14.268-05:002012-11-20T13:12:14.268-05:00i'm with Coast -- now that the ACC has ND in a...i'm with Coast -- now that the ACC has ND in a semi-partnership, i think the pressure is on the "big xii" which only has 10 teams as opposed to the ACC which now has 14. could we poach West Virginia from the Big XII (a rival from our Big East days) and get Louisville as well?<br /><br />if Texas leaves the Big XII that conference is ka-put. i think the odds of that happening are higher than the ACC losing a bevy of teams.<br /><br />from ESPN's "ranking the HC jobs that will probably be available", BC comes in below Purdue and South Florida<br /><br />9. Boston College Eagles<br />Current Status: Not open<br />Odds of opening: 9<br />I know a couple of guys who actually want this job, even if it isn't officially open yet. They saw the ACC as vulnerable, even before this new round of realignment. They think there's room for BC, despite the academic limitations that similarly hamstring Duke and Wake Forest.<br /><br />It's a beautiful city and campus and, let's be honest, the conference isn't that challenging to make the Matt Ryan years seem that distant. A couple of solid players on both sides of the ball, and the Eagles could be equipped to be a conference contender. Frank Spaziani, most everyone believes, is simply in over his head.EL MIZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12042895353703675136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-68147681745297330122012-11-20T13:11:04.665-05:002012-11-20T13:11:04.665-05:00I'm not getting involved in this discussion -...I'm not getting involved in this discussion - interesting as it is.<br /><br />Speaking of interest, college football is losing mine. <br /><br />However, I will be in Charlotte to watch Georgia Tech scare FSU - my wife and step son being GT people.<br /><br />Let's go, BC - get our act together.<br /><br />We could have been there again with a different coaching staff.Big Jack Krackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202172743722727956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-22068016249375794032012-11-20T13:07:49.131-05:002012-11-20T13:07:49.131-05:00The entire stability of this so-called Big 12 rest...The entire stability of this so-called Big 12 rests on how Texas feels on a given day. If you want to destroy the Big 12 and guarantee that the ACC is one of the Big Four, you make a Notre Dame- style offer to Texas.<br /><br />And watch the Big 12 collapse.Coasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17169212809658602017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-20457897503021215112012-11-20T11:57:10.973-05:002012-11-20T11:57:10.973-05:00I don't see anyone on here calling for BC to j...I don't see anyone on here calling for BC to join the Patriot League. I said that I wouldn't lose any sleep if we ended up in a conference with, say, Duke, UNC, UVA, GTech, Syracuse, Villanova, Georgetown, etc. Not exactly the dregs of college athletics.<br /><br />Big time sports are definitely a huge factor in what makes BC a special and desirable university. Trying to figure out what BC would look like without a special athletics program is pointless and impossible because it's always been there, and it always will be there, barring a decision by BC to change course.Joe Gravellesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01640271547237583491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-90779122947689512252012-11-20T11:24:23.884-05:002012-11-20T11:24:23.884-05:00Dixie and Sanz,
let's give up the Flutie Ef...Dixie and Sanz, <br /><br />let's give up the Flutie Effect myth. It is b.s. BC was on the rapid rise well before Flutie. If you wish to give credit, give it to Father Neenan who built a world class academic university.<br /><br />As for this "Retreat to the Patriot League and watch as donations, applications, rankings, etc plummet to new lows." This is troubling. Too many young BC students (and apparently others too) make a firm association between Football success and academic desirablity. It is another myth. Go ask the majority of of top 25 USNWR school who do not have FCS football if they are successful?<br /><br />And, to be clear, no one is saying BC cannot beat tOSU, or other powers. Sure, BC can beat those teams in an on year. But my point was that I do not want to see bC in one of 4 giant leagues that are devoted to BIG-MONEY-NCAA Football. I'd rather go elsewhere. I would not want to see BC in RU or MD shoes today -- doormats in waiting.<br /><br />And once you get to 4 mega leagues (if that really is happening??), the big STATE $$ will start pouring in at an even greater rate., and academics standards for athletes will plummet to ALAMAMA, UNC and worse levels $100,000,000 for practice facilities; $550,000,000 for stadium redesigns, etc.<br /><br />BC is a an academic institution first and foremost. let's not forget thatmod34bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18129365485893573618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-24466854806017661152012-11-20T10:59:19.519-05:002012-11-20T10:59:19.519-05:00Absolutely, C. Scanz.
Some of these posters are...Absolutely, C. Scanz. <br /><br />Some of these posters are way too young to remember that it was the "Flutie Era" and the attendant success and publicity that helped propel BC as a university to where it is today. Applications soared and BC was able to capitalize on both its academic and football success. It is simply not the same place it was pre-Flutie (and not always in a good way... but that is another thread for another venue entirely...)dixieaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12923834034976250382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-79042904985688119832012-11-20T10:45:07.332-05:002012-11-20T10:45:07.332-05:00Agree with Dixie and Bravesbill, you guys are idio...Agree with Dixie and Bravesbill, you guys are idiots for thinking we should capitulate and join some joke Ivy League. While college football is no longer what it used to be, it is still incredibly important and vital for our marketing. Will it be difficult to compete against the Ohio States, Michigans, etc? Absolutely. But BC was a perennial top 25 program and one of the ACC's best before the disaster hire of Spaz. <br /><br />Retreat to the Patriot League and watch as donations, applications, rankings, etc plummet to new lows. C. Scanzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768253627721500581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-69550388869819666532012-11-20T10:36:41.788-05:002012-11-20T10:36:41.788-05:00Lets take a step back here, the Big 10 added two T...Lets take a step back here, the Big 10 added two TERRIBLE programs. One that has been running in the red and needs additional football revenue just to stay afloat. The ACC should be glad that the baggage of UMD is gone. Its time to work with Notre Dame to bring it in fully with a plan to add PSU and another school to go to 16 teams. Once we get to 16 teams, we need to lock schools in and then watch the consolidation happen elsewhere. <br /><br />Swofford needs to step up and become a first mover, and he has to be able to negotiate a deal with ESPN that is a step ahead of other conference deals. ACC is the conent for ESPN, so the ACC needs to get more value. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01543176361189867641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-80067951097269520122012-11-20T10:27:17.144-05:002012-11-20T10:27:17.144-05:00The time has long since passed that these schools,...The time has long since passed that these schools, including BC, should lose their non-profit status. ModA36https://www.blogger.com/profile/03429940359466135889noreply@blogger.com