tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post309275181896958597..comments2024-03-24T05:21:33.293-04:00Comments on Eagle in Atlanta -- atleagle.com: How will the Tyrese Rice story end?ATL_eaglehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16014348799382628049noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-39352497771208013952009-03-12T12:57:00.000-04:002009-03-12T12:57:00.000-04:00Tyrese has been terrific for BC, and he deserves a...Tyrese has been terrific for BC, and he deserves all the praise he's receiving here. There were times this year when his body language implied burn-out, and who could blame him. I just hope he finishes well and happy.<BR/><BR/>One comment about that time out at the end of the GT game: in the Boston Globe's report on the game they said that during the time out Skinner drew up a play and then erased it saying, "No, I don't want to run that." Then he said something like "Try this [other thing], and if it doesn't work we'll have time to make a stop, call time and run something else." Skinner thought there were 30 seconds left in the game. The story quoted one of the players saying that they were kind of shocked, not just that he wasn't aware of the time, but that they had no play for this critical situation. Bizarre.mod10aeaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04009617224575563986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-60648402380577229692009-03-11T13:35:00.000-04:002009-03-11T13:35:00.000-04:00I have loved watching Tyrese Rice for the past fou...I have loved watching Tyrese Rice for the past four years and I hope I get to watch him for a bunch more games before he moves on. A couple of times this year, especially on this board, I have tried to counter the argument that Rice's offensive performance has regressed and that BC would be better without him. I definitely believe that Rice has been just about as excellent on offense this year as he has in any of his other three years. And the team might have a better season next year but it will NOT be due to Rice's departure. <BR/><BR/>But I have to agree with the sentiment that there has not been a singular moment this year where Rice shone and carried the team. The game-winners came from Sanders, one off of a Rice miss. The win against UNC was due in large part to Rice. But so many other players contributed to that win in such big ways that Rice did not stand out. The one game I remember Rice really carrying BC was against UAB in MSG, when BC was down in the second half and Rice hit some very big shots to help BC win. That neutral court win over a top-50 RPI team has turned out to be a vital part of BC's at large resume. Even though Rice lacks a singular, indelible highlight from this year, his excellent offensive play and his stewardship of a very young team to the brink of a tourney berth makes his senior year a huge success. And he still has a chance to have that all-time moment in the upcoming games. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and I cannot get inside Tyrese Rice's head, especially by yelling over to him at one game, but it is crystal clear that he cares as much about winning and BC's success as any star BC has had. Tyrese cares deeply about winning and his play and demeanor prove it.<BR/><BR/>I know I've been lucky to root for a player who has made big contributions to three BC NCAA tourney teams, has scored more than two thousand points and has been an excellent representative for BC athletics and for the university as a whole. Thanks, Tyrese, for a phenomenal four years.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09944235452592940784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-25827808156227199902009-03-11T12:17:00.000-04:002009-03-11T12:17:00.000-04:00I don't get some of this. Not being a leader does...I don't get some of this. Not being a leader doesn't make someone a bad player or bad person ("doesn't care"). Some are just psychologically not built for that.<BR/><BR/>If I'm building a team from scratch, there's about 5 other BC players I would pick first. But if I already HAVE one of those leaders picked, I pick Rice second.<BR/><BR/>There's only one reason we're going to the dance, and that's Tyrese Rice. He carried the team, and he doesn't even <I>like doing that</I>...it doesn't bring out the best in him. He succeeded anyway, because he's just that good.Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07295772913250936190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-43646529591382510202009-03-11T00:29:00.000-04:002009-03-11T00:29:00.000-04:00I really believe the team will be better without h...I really believe the team will be better without him.<BR/><BR/>In 2007, I was sitting next to Jared Dudley's brother Milan at the Duke game. Milan and one of Jared's friends were cheering on the team, which was down at halftime. As Rice waiting to receive the opening inbounds pass of the second half, everyone was saying let's go, play hard. He looked at us, just sighed and shrugged his shoulders, as if to say, "What's the point?"<BR/><BR/>He's a great basketball player but he's not a great winner or a great leader. Another perfect example was late in the game against NC State about a week ago - they sank a bucket towards the end to pretty much ice it, and Rice stood under their basket, immediately dropping his head to show it was over. What did Sanders do? Took and made a quick three to keep the game alive. Rice wasn't willing to believe the team could win, but the young sophomore was. I believe that's why he got the last shot against GT.<BR/><BR/>That's the difference between Rice and guys like Dudley, or even a guy like Sean Marshall. Marshall would NEVER have given up on a game no matter what the score was. Tyrese doesn't always give up, but it depends on how he feels.<BR/><BR/>It's not that Tyrese can't win - it's just that sometimes, he doesn't really care.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536185973023555531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-47789635426634601972009-03-10T22:28:00.000-04:002009-03-10T22:28:00.000-04:00God, I hope he stays committed, his video looks ph...God, I hope he stays committed, his video looks phenomenal.Eagle in Brightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02387603168328339403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-8028302811598895102009-03-10T21:54:00.000-04:002009-03-10T21:54:00.000-04:00BC nabbed a huge QUARTERBACK commitment tonight fo...BC nabbed a huge QUARTERBACK commitment tonight for the 2010 class.. Joe Boisture who was getting interest from UCLA, Cinci, Pitt, and USC just started calling himeagle1331https://www.blogger.com/profile/13479214563300900733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-3546112194796329102009-03-10T20:59:00.000-04:002009-03-10T20:59:00.000-04:00I have nothing but positive things to say about Ri...I have nothing but positive things to say about Rice -- he doesn't get too high when he's high, or too low when he's low. Seeing how far he has progressed since coming to BC (as a flashy 2-guard), I really respect what he has done. He has come to emulate his coach in many ways, and that is exactly what you want from your best player. <BR/><BR/>As far as leadership goes.... From what I can see, Reggie looks up to him like an older brother, in many different ways. He has a great on court relationship with raji, they share an offensive brain. He seems to have a nice professional relationship with Trapani as well. The fact that he doesn't have Greg Paulus like emotion and facial expressions doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a leader. As someone pointed out, we don't see anything but 2 hours every few days. And to receive the praise of Coach Skinner as he so often does is pretty special. <BR/><BR/>As far as the next few weeks go.... I don't think he will revert back to last year's playing style, as he has changed his game. He has become less of a focus, but still as big of a threat. I just hope that he has one special moment left in him, where he makes a really clutch or amazing play... even if it's just 2 free throws with seconds left to give us a one point win. He's not gonna go out as an NCAA champion, but he can still have a special senior moment. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for all the memories, Tyrese... I'll never forget the first time I saw you play. Sitting in Conte, an exhibition against St. Michael's. I kept looking down at my scoresheet to see who this #4 rook was, as he drained these 3 point bombs. 16 points in 16 minutes.matthew2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13672449714617109618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-8994758601327082712009-03-10T18:33:00.000-04:002009-03-10T18:33:00.000-04:00Or, from a left-handed perspective, how about Delo...Or, from a left-handed perspective, how about Delonte West? A little shorter, but also a little quicker.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181153457983332902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-37152829948587231622009-03-10T17:34:00.000-04:002009-03-10T17:34:00.000-04:00I actually think Aaron Brooks is a great compariso...I actually think Aaron Brooks is a great comparison to make to Tyrese. NBADraft.net (which I believe is the site you were referencing re: his draft status, DS) compares his game to Mo Williams, which is also complimentary. If he could duplicate either career path, that would be wonderful for him. And why not?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181153457983332902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-25132408901960358162009-03-10T16:45:00.000-04:002009-03-10T16:45:00.000-04:00great discussion. let's all take our hats off to ...great discussion. let's all take our hats off to Tyrese Rice, a true winner. and let's not forget that we don't see what kind of man he is off the court, in the practice gym, in the locker room, in the hotel rooms during team meetings the night before a road game.<BR/><BR/>Tyrese Rice is currently projected to be the #41 pick in the 2009 NBA Draft. after watching the play of Aaron Brooks this year for the Houston Rockets, I think Tyrese might have a chance in the NBA. Aaron Brooks is even smaller than Tyrese, but is having a monster 2nd year in the NBA. thoughts?<BR/><BR/>thanks Tyrese. and don't forget that there is still a facebook group called "Did Tyrese Rice really just do that? ... Damnn", which is now a couple years oldDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06907095797025810531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-91851799913822097612009-03-10T16:19:00.000-04:002009-03-10T16:19:00.000-04:00Not to hijack this into a best BC guard thread, bu...Not to hijack this into a best BC guard thread, but while Tyrese was special as was Bell, I think I take John Bagley, Michael Adams or Dana Baros ahead of either of the other two. Bell and Rice are scorers. The other three were both scorers and true point guards.<BR/><BR/>If you think Bell had it tough, Dana Baros was the only option on those teams and he was hounded the entire game and still averaged over 20 against great Big East competition. He had every bit the range Rice had as well.ORDEaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09718141021045757797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-61599893326448510972009-03-10T16:16:00.000-04:002009-03-10T16:16:00.000-04:00Well spoken everyone. Many "points to ponder" abou...Well spoken everyone. Many "points to ponder" about the performance of Tyrese Rice over his career. He will leave BC as one of the best impact players ever. I'm going back to the John Austin days (1964-ish)with Coach Bob Cousy. (That dates me doesn't it?!) Austin was a spectacular DC high school phenom who, came to BC and put them on the map. Very much like Tyrese, he could (and did) score at will. Tyrese has struggled this year, and it is a puzzle as to why? Adjusting to better talent around him? Senior "Leadership" too much of a burden and in conflict with his introspective demeanor? Concerned about his future? All these, collectively might be factors. One can only speculate---but he clearly has appeared "less-interested" than previous years.<BR/><BR/>As he closes out his career wearing the maroon and gold, I prefer to remember that first half performance (34? 36?) points against UNC---at home---to go up by about 18 at halftime (only to lose by 20--but I want to forget that---as the best individual offensive show I have ever witnessed in person! Tyrese's career should not be judged solely on this year's inconsistent play---but on the whole body of work, which puts him near the top of the list of All-time greats.<BR/><BR/>Lets hope that he finds the "spark" during this tournament run! Without him at his best we will likely have an early exit.<BR/><BR/>Go Eagles!Opinionaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15117101123172562696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-27382885132926132822009-03-10T12:54:00.000-04:002009-03-10T12:54:00.000-04:00Here's the scene: 22,000 die hard Tar Heels fans a...Here's the scene: 22,000 die hard Tar Heels fans at BC's first ever visit to the Dean Dome as an ACC member in late January 2006 (Wednesday night, 9:00pm game). I'm about 15 rows up at mid-court (one of my colleagues is a big UNC fan) and I'm wearing my maroon sweater. I stick out like a sore thumb. UNC leads by 9 early, but BC explodes for a 27-6 run to take the lead.<BR/><BR/>As the first half progresses along, the fans notice and appreciate BC's crisp passing (in the flex offense)and begin to wonder if this will be a close game all the way. After all, we have Craig Smith,, and Jared Dudley, and Luis Hinnant, and Sean Marshall and some kid named Tyrese Rice. With BC pulling away a bit as the clock winds down in the first half - Tyrese throws in a 30 ft. 3 pointer as the buzzer sounds ending the first half - putting BC in front by 12. The crowd groans in dismay etc.<BR/><BR/>Later in the second half, when we're getting exactly what we want from Craig Smith, Tyrese throws in another 3 pointer with 4 minutes to go to keep BC in command - and he finishes with 16 points in that atmosphere. We won 81-74 and I smiled at every Tar Heels fan I saw.<BR/><BR/>Freshman Tyrese Rice had ice water in his veins and every ACC fan has been scared to death of him ever since.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the memories and a great 4 years, Tyrese - and you for sure made me happy in Chapel Hill your first year.<BR/><BR/>Have some fun and let's win some games in these tournaments - no pressure - cream and gravy.<BR/><BR/>Best of luck in the future, Tyrese.Big Jack Krackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202172743722727956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-62581997584062583302009-03-10T12:32:00.000-04:002009-03-10T12:32:00.000-04:00Thanks Bill for opening up this topic. Have had ma...Thanks Bill for opening up this topic. Have had many discussions about Tyrese's place in BC history, and how the team will fare without him next year. <BR/><BR/>He is one of the most creative and at times dynamic scorers I have seen here. I can't tell you how many times over the years we have watched him start to launch a 3 in an important spot and just knew it was going to drop. His seeming inconsistency was a bit of a trouble spot, but I think part of it is, as someone else mentioned, this system was never quite right for him. Look at the # of minutes he has had to play over the last 4 years, and then add in countless possessions where he is stuck dribbling at the top of the key for 25 seconds expending more energy...that takes a toll physically and mentally i think. part might be his fault, part is the system, but either way, not ideal for his game. I would have liked to see a lot more of Biko at the point and Tyrese off the ball more. Just watch some of the other great shooters in college bball like Steph Curry, coming off screens, being able to work for shots off the ball. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully he has a big March and gets remembered fondly for it. I don't think we will be better BECAUSE he is gone next year, but I am pretty optimistic about the team based on the improvement this year. <BR/><BR/>And Erik - great point about the timeout. When they called it I was frightened that we would screw something up inbounding the ball since we never seem to get that right.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17375335026023485797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-73920719955886012532009-03-10T12:25:00.000-04:002009-03-10T12:25:00.000-04:00With 13.6 ppg and 6.5 rpg average, Trapani could h...With 13.6 ppg and 6.5 rpg average, Trapani could have definitely been on the honorable mention squad. I can see him, Sanders and Jackson on the list next year.GordonsLeftFoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06075125834143703859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-25413094388704492362009-03-10T11:33:00.000-04:002009-03-10T11:33:00.000-04:00Yeah. That's a long time.And by '839928374', I mea...Yeah. That's a long time.<BR/><BR/>And by '839928374', I mean 'ten' or so.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181153457983332902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-59141206749258210332009-03-10T11:19:00.000-04:002009-03-10T11:19:00.000-04:00"I've had season tickets for about 839928374 years..."I've had season tickets for about 839928374 years."<BR/><BR/>It all makes sense now.smhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15419456585289429192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-16396520498599629672009-03-10T11:11:00.001-04:002009-03-10T11:11:00.001-04:00There's little doubt that Bell was better than Ric...There's little doubt that Bell was better than Rice. <BR/><BR/>Not by a lot, but certainly by enough. <BR/><BR/>I mean, Rice has carried the team for stretches...Bell pretty much carried it for four years. <BR/><BR/>Two time conference P.O.Y. (one of five in history to win multiple times). <BR/><BR/>All-time scoring leader at BC.<BR/><BR/>I think Bell is playing in Italy now. Could be seeing Rice pretty soon.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-67318754155803595012009-03-10T11:11:00.000-04:002009-03-10T11:11:00.000-04:00Eesh...um, sorry, Pete. Take it easy.I didn't mean...Eesh...um, sorry, Pete. Take it easy.<BR/><BR/>I didn't mean the man isn't happy for his teammates - that would imply that he's a bad kid, and he's obviously not. What I meant was that I feel like sometimes he forces his shots and passes because he feels like, at the end of the day, this is his team and no one else's. Which, really, it is.<BR/><BR/>I've had season tickets for about 839928374 years, and I love Tyrese, so please don't misread me. BCMike, I think, made a great, and accurate, point about opponents' respect for him - no BC player EVER has had opponents' fans singing his praises more than Tyrese. I think there's something to that.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181153457983332902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-38390876646278455582009-03-10T11:03:00.000-04:002009-03-10T11:03:00.000-04:00I think in some ways that the team's inconsistency...I think in some ways that the team's inconsistency was a reflection of Rice's inconsistency. By that I mean, there were times when Rice sacrificed his own game (many times in the first half) to get other guys involved, and then would make a more determined effort to score in the second half. Other times, Rice would come out shooting. <BR/><BR/>I don't have many complaints at all about Rice b/c of everything he's meant to the program. Maybe he stuck around b/c he likes the team and BC, maybe it was b/c he wasn't going to get drafted. Either way, he's largely responsible for getting BC mentioned in any national discussion and he's hit a few clutch shots along the way. <BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure this particular team knew how to use Rice and he them. Sometimes he deferred and played a more traditional point position, sometimes he was the primary scorer at 2. <BR/>There seemed to be little method to the madness, which, I think, contributed to the team's inconsistent performance this year. That coupled with the relative youth on the team. <BR/><BR/>I'm happy Rice gets one more shot at the NCAAs. He deserves it. I've been mildly critical of him during those stretches when he seemed "out of it," b/c, it appeared to me, that sometimes he didn't understand the difference b/t his varied roles on the team. Maybe that's not entirely his fault. <BR/><BR/>In any event, congratulations again to Rice. Whatever happens from here on out...all the best to a deserving young man.CThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783098791522341665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-50468785012694576352009-03-10T10:55:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:55:00.000-04:00Rice goes down as an all-time great to me.I can te...Rice goes down as an all-time great to me.<BR/><BR/>I can tell you that without equivocation, I have received more compliments on Rice's play for BC than any other guy we ever had...Troy Bell probably second. Opposing fans understood how amazing Rice is/was. When you have UNC fans and Duke fans saying "Geez, I wish we had THAT guy" you know you have something special.<BR/><BR/>On another note, if you needed any more reason to believe that Reggie Jackson is the next great Eagle...follow the jersey numbers<BR/><BR/>0 - Reggie Jackson<BR/>1 - Craig Smith<BR/>2 - Troy Bell<BR/>3 - Jared Dudley<BR/>4 - Tyrese Rice<BR/><BR/>While I think Biko Paris (he wears #5) is progressing and will be a good player for us in the next two years to come, I'm pretty sure he won't be keeping company with the rest of those guys. Jackson, though...I could see eventually be talked about in the same breath if he keep progressing and stays healthy.BCMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04259278849389650910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-91828870854852186912009-03-10T10:34:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:34:00.000-04:00"It seems he can't accept when Trapani or Sanders ..."It seems he can't accept when Trapani or Sanders are the team's go-to guy for a given game - when this happens, shots are rushed and passes are forced."<BR/><BR/>This is probably the most uninformed and ridiculous statement I have read regarding anything in a long time.<BR/><BR/>What got BC 9 conference wins this year was largely do to the fact that Rice CAN accept when Trap and Sanders are the go-to guys.<BR/><BR/>Rese could have gotten first team ACC this year according to Skinner (if his opinion matters to you, I am not sure). But if we played the way that would have gotten Rese on the first team, our team would have struggled in other areas.smhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15419456585289429192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-25169830322773948942009-03-10T10:26:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:26:00.000-04:00ATL, your post and the comments that follow contai...ATL, your post and the comments that follow contain way too much blind speculation that is completely unfair to Skinner and Tyrese.<BR/><BR/>Did you listed to Skinner's teleconference on Monday when he addressed this topic at length? It may be useful for you to check that out and then maybe revisit this post.<BR/><BR/>For your convenience, here it is: <BR/>http://bit.ly/5jot7<BR/><BR/>Hopefully it changes your and others perspective on the tremendous contributions and sacrifices Rice has made during his time here at BC.smhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15419456585289429192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-49786236970792437742009-03-10T10:20:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:20:00.000-04:00I know Skinner is 'putting the ball in the hands o...I know Skinner is 'putting the ball in the hands of his best player,' but I've always felt this year that we could get Tyrese the ball in better shooting situations if he played off the ball more. I think if we had played a Biko/Rice or even a Jackson/Rice backcourt more often, it would've been to our benefit.<BR/><BR/>Either way, you thank a player that scores 2,000 points for your team when he reaches the end of his career. Thanks and good luck, Tyrese, and if you could see fit to go out the way Gerry McNamara did this weekend, we'd appreciate it.Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858991879346436604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9512562.post-85519067463792712762009-03-10T10:17:00.000-04:002009-03-10T10:17:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858991879346436604noreply@blogger.com