Friday, November 02, 2012

Lessons from the Dillon Quinn departure

Dillon Quinn left the team and left BC for "personal reasons." While Spaz deserves his fair share of blame for problems with the team, Dillon Quinn's disappointing career is not one of them. In my opinion Quinn represents a different issue facing our fanbase and fanbases around college football: the expectations created by the recruiting ratings.

I am not opposed to the recruiting sites. I worked for one in the past and know good people at Rivals, Scout and 247. I do think there is some predictive value to the rankings. In football "bigger, stronger, faster" remains important and if you bring in multiple highly-recruited players, you are likely to succeed. But like any forecasting system, these things are not fool proof. Collectively the rankings work, but individual teams, individual recruiting classes and individual players can all be rise above or fall below expectations. There are outliers in any statistical model, but even more in college football where the volume of data and recruits cannot be captured by the ratings sites. That volume also forces shortcuts that lead to misjudgement and that is what happened with Quinn.

Dillon Quinn should never have been a four star recruit. He wasn't on many radars until he showed up at a Rivals camp with a friend of his prior to his senior season. The friend was the invitee. But upon seeing him, the Rivals Camp Directors invited him too. Quinn was a massive specimen and Rivals knows their customers. His strength and speed also impressed and a buzz started. Rivals slapped four stars on him and let the meteoric rise begin. What Rivals didn't account for in their ranking is why Quinn arrived on the scene so late and why his workouts were so impressive. I obviously have no proof, but even in the early days there were whispers and allegations about Quinn's use of performance enhancers. No one seemed to care about his lack of four star productivity prior to his "growth spurt" or his technique. But given his abilities, if he were truly four star, he should have been dominating his league. As a reference point Alex Amidon played in the same league and was even better, but no one ever considered giving him four stars.

Once Quinn arrived at BC and the whispers continued. Outside of the gossip, he also wasn't ready to be a ACC DT. He needed to learn more and get better. He played with mixed results in his second year on campus. From my perspective his efforts seemed mixed and he was never a special players. Certainly not four star. Now his career is over and BC has another player to add to the "four star" bust list. But at this point we should really be making a list of four star guys who were misjudged by the systems.

As for this season, Quinn's departure doesn't mean much. The positive aspect of the outcome is that it frees up one more scholarship for our new coach


EL MIZ said...

ATL, wasn't quinn a senior? ESPN's roster lists him as such.

are you implying that b/c Quinn was a 4-star he got more PT than a guy ranked lower? or just that using the recruiting rankings is always a guess.

i think Jordan McMichael was a 4-star recruit. he had an underwhelming career as well.

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mod34b said...

now my take on the actual value of the 2009 recruits to BC

5. Luke Kuechly 3 stars rating5.6
17. John Wetzel 2 stars rating 5.2
14. Nate Freese 2 stars rating5.3
15. Ian White 2 stars rating5.3
3. Jim Noel 3 stars rating5.7
4. Rolandan Finch 3 stars rating5.6
9. Jonathan Coleman 2 stars rating5.4
10. Kasim Edebali 2 stars rating5.4
13. Jake Sinkovec 2 stars rating5.4
1. Dillon Quinn 4 stars rating 5.9
2. Andre Lawrence 3 stars rating5.7
6. Mike Naples 3 stars rating5.5
11. Michael Marscovetra 2 stars rating5.4
16. Bryan Davis 2 stars rating 5.2
12. Conor O'Neal 2 stars rating5.4
7. Sterlin Phifer 3 stars rating5.5
8. Keith Bourne 2 stars rating5.4

ATL_eagle said...

Miz: Quinn had another year of eligibility. It is alleged Spaz took away the 5th year as punishment for PED use . Spaz or a new coach could have changed his mind and brought him back.

JBQ said...

The number of stars is indicative of "potential". In WWII, the Germans were well trained and well coached. Georgie took a bunch of ragtags and found potential where none was believed to have existed. He was a motivator and a leader. Spaziani has grave problems in the leadership area. It was obvious that Quinn was a "lost puppy". It is more than obvious that Captain Bligh had no understanding and feeling for a certain segment of the population. There were also stories that came out of disapproval for the teammates that Mark Herzlich chose to hang around with.

Knucklehead said...

Sounds like a conjecture here. Remember this guy is 22 years old.

The one thing I remember about Quinn was the close up of him during the ND game last year. He looked like Latimore from the movie The Program, he had a demented look in his eyes.

dq92 said...

Dude your a fucking asshole and a piece of shit, first off i never had a growth spurt. 2ndly the reason for me never reaching my stride was continual personal struggles from growing up in a broken home, to a brother who was an addict , boston colleges constant mindfucks to him, and finally a serious depression episode happening after spring ball his junior year in which the coaches voted him most improved player. So before you shit all over people on the internet you should take time to speak with them. Dont pretend to know everything from behind a keyboard. Fyi my senior year when i transfered i leaned out to 270 and had a heismen level highlight at the school i transfered 2. 2ndly my junior year at trinity pawlibg i won player of the year over bjoern werner so shut your miss informed mouth. Oh BTW i destroyed my pro day and am trying to get into a camp this year