Friday, December 07, 2012

Temple fans on Addazio

When TOB left for NC State most of us predicted how he would perform (good but never great). NC State fans didn't believe us and assumed it was some sort of jealousy  They predicted that TOB -- finally unshackled by BC's limitations -- would deliver championships. Six years later, we know which group was closer to the mark. That is why I am appreciative of the assessments Temple fans and bloggers are sharing of Addazio. I actually think we share the same outlook and expectations of what's ahead. Here are two examples:

-- 15 Things Boston College Fans Should Expect from Steve Addazio

-- Steve Addazio: The Temple Perspective

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51 Comments:

At 7:58 AM, Blogger Thomas said...

So our new offense will not be RRPP, but rather RRR(R/P)? This reeks of an awesome, innovative offense. 3 years in, we're going to be calling for Bates(for giving him 6 years) and Daz for being a spaz. Etch that in stone.

 
At 8:23 AM, Blogger mod34b said...

ATL -is there any question in your mind that BC must restablish its OL and Run game?

Look at last season. Rettig became less and less effective as it became clear BC could not run block

So Addazio is heading in the right direction. .

 
At 8:37 AM, Blogger Joe Gravellese said...

Awesome, sounds like an unproven version of TOB but with extra rah-rah yelling.

Woooooooooo

 
At 8:41 AM, Blogger JBQ said...

Both articles give a clearer perspective on Addazio. After all that, the light in the tunnell is not an oncoming train after all. Christian Suntrup from St. Louis Chaminade (redsh fr) could be the option qb tht they are looking for. I like Rettig. However if he is smart, he would consider sitting out, getting his degree, and then playing a fifth year somewhere else and prep for the NFL. It would appear that Daz has enthusiasm. It now depends on just how good Ryan Day will be. If that works out, then BC is in good shape.

 
At 8:45 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

i sure hope Bates was right about this guy. his job hangs in the balance as well.

 
At 9:11 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

a former player who played under Day indicated he thought Day would open it up like Steve Logan. take that for what it's worth.

07 with Logan (and Matty Ice), Ryan passed 654 times for 4507 yards. the team ran 422 times for 1416 yards.

08 with Logan (and Crane, Montel, Haden, Jeff Smith) the team passed 448 times for 2471 yards. the team ran 518 times for 2000 yards.

 
At 9:14 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

temple QBs last year completed 52% of their passes for 6 yards per completion. (slightly worse than Rettig but not by much)

they ran the ball effectively -- 468 carries for 2213 yards is 4.7 yards per carry. (BC ran 345 times for 1086 yards, or 3.1 per carry, but that was also with our best RB benched for 6 games for Reasons Known Only to Spaz)

interested to see how it all shakes out, i think the talent on this team dictates a pretty balanced approach.

 
At 9:21 AM, Blogger JDK said...

Why is his dream job UConn? Does he have a background connection there or is that just a Temple perception that UConn is a better destination than BC.

 
At 9:29 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

my take on the Uconn stuff is he is from CT, coached HS football there, and has always wanted to get back to New England. Philly isn't New England, so he tried to go from Temple to UCONN.

why would he go to UConn from BC? less pay, worse conference, storrs instead of boston. it would make 0 sense. from temple, i get it, but from BC i don't. i'm not worried about that at all.

 
At 9:30 AM, Blogger Joseph said...

Isn't he from CT? But, does that mean he really wants to go there?

 
At 9:31 AM, Blogger BCAlum2000 said...

Think they were joking and making a point about how everything he said when taking the Temple job ("Northeast guy", "this is home", etc.) is the same stuff he said during his BC introduction. Also ties to the fact that he is from CT and tried to leave Temple after a month when the UConn job opened up. That said, NO ONE would leave BC for UConn even before UConn was left in the dumps as part of the sinking Big Least.

 
At 9:34 AM, Blogger AA said...

I'm also not worried about the UConn job opening up, thought it will shortly. UConn is a step up from Temple but a step down from BC so that is no an issue.

Overall, I'm down off the ledge and I think this hire might be a single or hopefully a double. Def no a home run and prob not a strikeout.

All thinks considered 7-5 is probably where BC should be at, provided we have an occasional 8/9 win season every fifth year or so.

 
At 9:52 AM, Blogger BCAlum2000 said...

Thats a load of crap. BC averaged 9 wins a season for the decade leading up to Spaz's disasterous tenure. And even that figure was misleading as they were trending upwards including back-to-back 10+ win seasons. There is no reason BC cannot be a program that wins 8+ games annually with some 10+ win seasons sprinkled in and be annually in the chase for the Atlantic crown. They have already been there. Bring recruiting back. Bring some some decent coaching back. They will be there. Not sure Sgt Slaughter will accomplish any of that though.

 
At 9:56 AM, Blogger BigJohnny Stolberg said...

he owns a house on the Cape...

 
At 9:56 AM, Blogger AA said...

Stew Mandel (Si.com) describes this as Auburn-Ole Miss-Clemson syndrome:
"the phenomenon by which fans of historically second-tier programs delude themselves into thinking that one isolated period of greatness -- Clemson's 1981 national title season -- is more representative of their team's rightful place in the sport's hierarchy than its other hundred or so years of football."

BC is a 7 win program historically. To ignore all the 3 and 4 win seasons and focus on the two times BC got to 10 wins is silly. Both are extreme outliers.

 
At 10:18 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

from Boston Globe today:

“My philosophy is to always be on the attack, always be aggressive, and to create as much conflict as we can on the defense,” Day said. “We’re going to do that in a lot of different ways.

“We’re going to have to be aggressive, we’re going to try to play fast, we’re going to always be on the attack, play tough, play hard-nosed with a lot of energy, and those are the key components to being successful.”

 
At 10:18 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

“We’re going to spend a lot of time on running the football,” Day said.

“That being said, we have an opportunity to throw the football with Chase and Alex, and we’re going to do that as well.

“We want to be as balanced as we can be.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/2012/12/07/ryan-day-hits-the-ground-running-offensive-coordinator/OHaYMbBhw1BYCljvGR47nM/story.html

 
At 10:36 AM, Blogger Doornekamp! said...

For anyone familiar with the Meyers-Briggs Personality test, he seems like an obvious ESFJ to me. Not that that's a bad thing - I think Lou Holtz is probably ESFJ, and probably lots of other successful coaches. Basically, he's an energetic people person, but you probably wouldn't want him as your lawyer (or offensive coordinator). He'll need to mix in some analytical, open-minded types (think Steve Logan) among his assistants, mainly his coordinators. If he does that, we have a real good chance of doing some great things. If the coaching staff is all a bunch of rah-rah guys, in my opinion it is not going to go well.

 
At 10:46 AM, Blogger BCAlum2000 said...

Silly one, I am focusing on how the program did over a 10 year spell and not based on two years. Did I say BC should be a 10+ win team annually? No, I said they should be an 8+ team annually with some 10+ win seasons sprinkled in from time-to-time much like we saw for the decade before Spaz gutted the program. Clemson and schools like them are delusional because they think they should always be at a level such as Clemson saw in the beginning of the 80's when in a 2 year span they won all but 3 of their games ... two of which came at the hands of BC including a loss and a tie. They of course cheated during those years, but why let little details get in the way. After that time, and before it as well, they were a .500 or slightly better team pretty much every year yet their fans assumed every year they should be ACC champs and battle for national titles which was/is delusional. Now, if they can somehow manage to continue to win 9+ games a year for the next decade or so like they have done the past couple of years, then they can begin to truly expect those things. Just like BC fans should expect their team to win 8+ games a year and be in the hunt for ACC Atlantic titles and chances to win the ACC championship game and play in the Orange Bowl.

 
At 10:58 AM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

8 wins and being in contention for ACC championship games should be expected of Addazio. that should be the benchmark every year.

speaking of which, is Louisville just going to replace Maryland in the Atlantic? post-Cuse/Pitt, the divisions were supposed to be as follows:

Atlantic: Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, Maryland, North Carolina State, Syracuse and Wake Forest.

Coastal: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (Fla.), North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Virginia and Virginia Tech.

 
At 11:22 AM, Blogger notfadeaway said...

This article is frightening and plays to my worst fears. Run, run, run. We will beat the teams we are supposed to and not get blown out by good teams. We'll never crack into a consistent rythym of beating better teams. We'll only outperform to the extent we can be balanced. We'll be a predictable, one-dimensional 6 game winner year in and year out. Yawn. I'm devastated by this aspect of the hire. If he really let Day run his offense, I'd cheer the hire. Now I plan to work on my golf game on Saturdays.

 
At 11:22 AM, Blogger Hario said...

One difference in our ability to assess TOB was that we had seen him as our coach for 10 years with all different kinds of players and recruiting classes.

Temple has really only seen 2 years of Addazio and no recrutiing class really come to fruition (his juniors and seniors playing)

That could be a positive or negative for how Temple assesses him. I think really he is just much more of an unknown than the intial perception currently is.

 
At 11:34 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 11:35 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 11:35 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 11:35 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 11:35 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 11:35 AM, Blogger TheGuru said...

I was told back in July that Addazio was going to be the next BC coach. I mistakenly assumed that plan changed once Gene D departed. Apparently, that plan did not change. Tells me that Bates did not have a choice and any other guys considered were for window dressing only.

 
At 12:22 PM, Blogger eagleboston said...

I could give a flying crap whether the offense is "innovative." I want to win. And if that means BC returns to smashmouth, let's pound these wimpy defenses geared to stopping the spread. Both Notre Dame and Stanford utilized a run first offense this season and last I checked, 1 is ranked #1 and the other is in the Top 10. Thus, the concerns expressed here are completely unwarranted and not based on facts. Further, Day said he is going to use a balanced attack and both he and Daz mentioned playing to their personnel strengths (Rettig and Amidon next season).

The negnans are not even making sense with their posts right now.

 
At 12:27 PM, Blogger Mr. Tambourine MAn said...

I didn't believe The Guru the first time, or the second, but by Post #5, I'm sold. LEAHY DEMANDED DAZ.

Also, love the fact that we heard

1) Establish the run
2) Play great defense
3) Play outstanding on special teams
4) Don't turn the ball over.

in the press conference as predicted by that Temple blogger. At least his verbal tics are in english. That should be an upgrade.

 
At 12:32 PM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

eagleboston, it appears the Haters of the Hire wanted a spread offense coach who would have us in the national championship picture next year (this was what Wiseguy said, we should be national champion contenders).

i expect somewhere between the matt ryan year and the 2009 year next year.

in 07 we threw 47x per game and ran 30x; in 08 we threw 32x/gm and ran 37x/gm. this year we threw 40x/gm and ran 29x/gm.

 
At 12:47 PM, Blogger jampino said...

If the goal of the coaching staff, administration and players isn't to win ACC Championships, then let me know so I can go cheer for someone else.

I would have said National Championships, but winning the ACC is the predecessor and most important.

That's not realistic? BS. It takes a commitment from all parties and that is where I think our problems are. The administration doesn't seem committed, so that trickles down to the AD and ultimately who we have coaching.

BC has a ton to sell. Outside of the weather - and lots of great programs have the weather of - what is not sellable about Boston College?

 
At 1:00 PM, Blogger Hario said...

Goal of championships is great and what it should be.
I believe Miz said haters wanted us in National Title picture Next Year... I think you have to be pretty delusional to think we have the talent today to get us competeing with Oregon and Alabama next season... even if Bill Belichick was our new coach

I do, however, think hunt for ACC title is a realistic goal for next year. FSU is losing guys, Clemson may lose Boyd..

What kind of record do people think it will take to win the Atlantic next year?

 
At 1:25 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

I love the new positives. AC champs next year could be a reach, but if the O-line and defense problems were mainly coaching, then maybe. My guess is that the new staff won't be playing the hard-ass game that we saw from Spaz, but will partner with the players and team leaders to work out the inevitable problems to the benefit of the team's chance at winning. I'm sure that SA will demand excellence and will get the dedication and effort without players being run off or getting suspended.

 
At 1:44 PM, Blogger Lenny Sienko said...

It nice to see that yet another "national search", utilizing Daz's network of contacts, has resulted in hiring as his assistants--his staff from Temple.

Boton College is now reduced to being staffed by one of the worst football schools in history--Temple North, that's us.

Guru:

Please tell us more about what really happened? Your post dovetails perfectly with Bill's report about Bates ignoring the VIP meeting recommendation not to hire Daz.

 
At 2:01 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

LS, get real. You have a good education, use it. Was SA and his staff responsible for Temple being so bad for so many years? Do you think that maybe he did extensive homework when he hired these guys at Temple so that he feels quite satisfied with their abilities to get the job done?

Why do you take as the absolute truth what posters to blogs have to say? What makes "guru" the "guru". Does the blogger from Temple reflect anything other than his own opinions? These are all opinions, and possibly knowledgeable truth. Maybe, but I don't think likely. Who knows.

 
At 2:07 PM, Blogger MUD said...

If Bates was impressed with Addazio's knowledge of the program, it's only because he has so little knowledge of the program. I doubt Leahy has any knowledge of the program. Let's just call a spade a spade. Like politics, a majority of the people just want to get re-elected. It's not about winning titles. It's about taking care of the people who took care of you.

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

Curious, MUD. Maybe our problem is that it is impossible to have anyone really know the program and even just as tough to hire someone because no one is interested in doing the job, just having it. What was it we learned about skeptics and universal skeptics?

 
At 2:20 PM, Blogger Lenny Sienko said...

Joseph:

If you went to BC, then you should know what "ad hominem" means. That's the basis of your argument and responses to any criticism of the process which resulted in this very questionable hiring.

I was most impressed with the posts attributed to the Temple Linebacker, HOF'er, who was so disillusioned with Daz. I saw no mention by you of him.

I have found Bill from Atlanta to be a credible source on BC nort spews over the years. His reports of the VIP meeting rings true with what I have seen BC do down the years.

Finally, the Guru's explanation of the decision having been made by higher ups gives a believable rationale for a seemingly irrational decision by Bates; i.e., "Just following orders".

I await further reports. If you have any info on why Daz was chosen "out of the blue", feel free to share it.

 
At 3:05 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

Ls, I certainly do know what ad hominem means. If you go back and read what I said you will see that I criticized your method of thinking, as you have of the people involved in this hire. SA WAS NOT responsible for the bad football years at Temple. I saw nothing about him conducting a national search for his staff, but maybe he did say that. And, maybe he did do the search and found that the people he knew were the best fit. Yet, you make an ad hominem attack on him.

As I left the hotel after the bowl game in San Francisco two years ago, I got a notice to read the ATL blog. It screamed that Day was our next OC. Wrong. That does not mean that I don't respect and appreciate this blog. It means that we have all read all kinds of stuff here and other places and then decide what to believe or not, without any real knowledge of the truth. Rumors and more rumors don't make it true.

This whole thing reminds me of the way that politicians will beat dead horses to make the opposition look bad or themselves look good. See an opening to make some points in a game with no meaning, have an investigation. Sow all kinds of seeds of doubt to suit your own ego.

The hire has been made. Move on to something positive. Bates is here. Leahy is here Deal with it.

 
At 3:36 PM, Blogger eagleboston said...

Lenny, you are judging a coach by what a player says? I was on BC crew and half the guys hated the coach and the other half loved him. Most of the rowers that hated him did not like somebody working them so hard and pushing them to get better. A good coach should force players out of their comfort zone and I would be more concerned if every player loved the guy.

 
At 4:06 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

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At 4:08 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-butch-jones-tennessee-20121207,0,4057545.story

Sound familiar? They all use the same speech writer. Means nothing. What else could they say that won't be parsed by everyone with an axe to grind.

 
At 5:06 PM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

sounds like Addazio plans to have a balanced attack since he has a competent QB:

"Obviously our quarterback, Chase Rettig, is a real thrower and so we’ve got a quarterback that’s got a real live arm and probably can have an opportunity to have the most balance that I’ve been around and I can’t wait for that. I know that I can bring improvement to the running game, and so I think that we can have a team that has great balance."

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/49667/qa-bc-coach-steve-addazio-part-ii

 
At 5:08 PM, Blogger EL MIZ said...

i am not sure what the conspiracy theory is here? so Leahy, the guy who has zero interest in sports and probably would have a hard time discerning quarterback vs. cornerback hand-picked addazio? for what reason exactly?

so the fix was in back in July of 2011 when someone KNEW for sure that Addazio would be the next head coach. what, does Addazio have some insider at the school? why would we pick him? i'm just not sure i see the theory stringing together the conspiracies -- he was the guy picked years ago, perhaps by the disinterested school president....but for what reason? its not like he went to HS with leahy or is married to someone on the board.

why Addazio?

 
At 5:20 PM, Blogger nceaglefan said...

Where there is smoke there is fire, if it were just fans of one program saying these things you could make that argument but it appears UF and Temple fans say the same thing. This guy is a clown, you need to be innovative to win in college football if you do not have the elite athletes of the SEC, nothing this guy says or does screams innovation. Not sure where this getting back to smash mouth football comes from, our most successful seasons have been centered around really great QB's Flutie, Foley, Ryan!

 
At 8:29 PM, Blogger eagleboston said...

nceaglefan,

What about William Green and Derrick Knight? Those were highly successful years and it was based on running the football.

Look, my point is, you can win by running and you can win by passing. There is no one right way. Everyone was on here bitching about Daz being focused on the run, even though he and Day point blank said they will have a balance attack, and all of the maroon state fans (the negnans)went ballistic and started freaking out that is is not "innovative." He has not even coached one play yet! The social media scene has become absolute insanity! And, to top it off, all of this whining is getting really boring. I want to be lifted up, not drug down.

 
At 8:05 AM, Blogger Joseph said...

Reading a few blogs and thinking that you now have the TRUTH is like thinking that the earth is only 6000 years old after reading a creationist web site. SA is far from being a 'clown'. He may not lead us to the promised land, but then again, he just might do that. Why take the word of some unknown bloggers when you can stay positive and give the guy all the support you can.

This morning when i went to a local store I talked with a guy whose nephew is a DB. The team, so far anyway, is wildly enthusiastic and can't wait to get started.

 
At 10:12 AM, Blogger nceaglefan said...

If I were doing an infomercial no doubt SA would be at the top of my list, I do not question his enthusiasm or energy. Did you watch the press conference, I thought it was ridiculous and the guy acted like a clown! How can anyone be happy with this hire, I do not get it, we had a chance to make a big statement and we failed. We hired a 53 year used car salesman! Again say it out loud 5 times to yourself "I am really happy we hired the Temple football coach who was 4-7 last year" If you can convince yourself that it is a good idea, I have some nice prime swamp land I can sell you!

 
At 12:55 PM, Blogger AA said...

Has anyone "taken the pulse" of traditional BC recruiting targets yet? I would love to hear what they think. Moreover, what are the high school coaches saying about this hire...off the record in particular.
Maloney....I just gave you your next article

 
At 8:10 PM, Blogger Joseph said...

we certainly have lost all objectivity here. SA shows some fire. Some personality. Some dedication. And,what does he get called, "clown". What would he have to do to please you? maybe JC instead of SA.

 

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