Tuesday, December 06, 2016

Temple sends another coach to a Power 5

Addazio's successor at Temple is moving up to the big time. Baylor hired Matt Rhule to be their new head coach and signed him to a seven year contract. Rhule's association with Temple means he was never going to be a BC coach, but is interesting to look at Baylor's move as it relates to BC.

There were plenty of jokes online after the announcement that Baylor clearly didn't learn from Al Golden and Steve Addazio that winning at Temple is not always a good indicator of future success. But I don't even know if Baylor would see themselves as something comparable to BC. This process has shown they are in their own bubble and lack perspective. I am sure they see themselves above BC given their location and financial commitment to football. I see them as a program that struggled for a long time prior to Art Briles and one that could likely struggle again, especially if Texas ascends back to the top of the Big XII. If anything, Baylor should look at the challenges Golden faced at Miami and realize Rhule could have the same issues due to "fit."

Al Golden never became part of the "U." He was an outsider and that hurt with the fanbase, the local recruits and the alumni. If he had won at a higher rate things would have been smoother, but ultimately they never embraced him and that made it easier to fire him. Rhule is a true northeast guy going to a very religious school in the middle of nowhere. He is going to heavily recruit Texas for the first time. Plus, like Golden, he will have the looming scandal repercussions hanging over the rebuild. It is not an ideal situation. We had many questions about Addazio coming to BC, but a culture and recruiting fit was not one of them. 

I don't know how Rhule will do at Baylor. No one does. But I don't know if it is fair to use Addazio as a benchmark for anything. Each coach is his own man and each job has its own unique challenges. 

Does Baylor's decision offer a little validation to Brad Bates' hire? Is Temple really a legitimate stepping stone to Power 5 jobs? I think we are past the point of validating the process that produced Addazio. It doesn't really matter after four years of on-the-job results. And it doesn't really matter for Bates since he won't be hiring the next BC Football coach. The only lesson that BC should take away from Baylor is that they made a major investment in their program and it led to more wins. I think BC can do the same thing, and hopefully unlike Baylor, not ruin our reputation by covering up the crimes of the football players. 

24 comments:

Sean McCarty said...

Al Golden at Temple: 1-11, 4-8, 5-7, 9-4, 8-4
Steve Addazio at TU: 9-4, 4-7
Matt Rhule at Temple: 2-10, 6-6, 10-4, 10-3

Golden and Rhule progressed at Temple, Addazio regressed.
Golden wasn't lights out at Miami, but he did have a winning record when fired.
Rhule with back to back 10 win seasons and a AAC Championship.
Addazio?.........Won 9 games with Golden's players, then fell to 4 wins and hit the jackpot with a P5 job at BC. And as we know, he's been nothing short of garbage in 4 years at BC. Even Al Golden had a 9 win season at Miami in Year 3 coming off probation.

Bravesbill said...

Rhule had much more success at Temple than Daz. He had to clean up after the mess that Daz left. It was a smart and competent hire, although he's not a sexy name. Rather than showing that it's in a bubble, Baylor conducted a legitimate hiring process and got themselves a good football coach. Maybe BC can learn from them when it's time to hire Daz's replacement. And by the way, Baylor Is sadly above BC in football.

EL MIZ said...

"Does Baylor's decision offer a little validation to Brad Bates' hire?"

how is this comparable, beyond the fact that they both coached at Temple?

Rhule is coming off back to back 10-win seasons. we hired Daz coming off a 4-win season!

to your point on the lesson BC should take away, it is spot on - which is why so many BC insiders and people In The Know say that change has to start at the top with Leahy. this isn't rocket science, folks. you get what you pay for, and we are paying bottom of the conference prices for bottom of the conference returns. we hired MAC talent (in football AND basketball) and have what is probably a good MAC team in each trying to cut it in the ACC.

Kash86 said...

You could make the argument that Rhule started having success when Addazios players became mature. I think Rhule is a far better coach and superior offensive mind, but it's a valid argument.

mod34b said...

Kash sucking Daz's balls once again

How's Daz's Recruiting going at BC? Are you still blaming Spaz.

mod34b said...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/06/boston-college-faculty-want-to-ban-trump-inspired-hate-speech/

BC infected with political correctness as censorship

mod34b said...

Over the top crap from select faculty.

http://bcheights.com/opinions/2016/lte-faculty-justice-calls-administration-trump-election/

JERZeagle said...

couple of comments as to why its preposterous to even compare addazio and rhule.

1. product on the field: have any of you guys actually watched a temple game these past three years? Being in JERZ i get stuck watching them... and you know what? It is actually fun football. They have a tough defense and an offense that throws the ball downfield and has some creativity in the run game. I can tell you that I certainly enjoyed watching a temple game more than any BC game the past three years.

2. The year after we lost to penn state in the pin stripe bowl, temple opened the season against penn state and BLEW THEM OUT in a stadium that was 90% penn state fans.

3. Addazio's first year at temple they were in the MEAC and the second year they were in the big east. CLEARLY that had something to do with his record being very positive in year one, along with the fact he had Golden's recruits. the 9 wins shouldn't even be in the equation.

4. Rhule's 10 win AAC seasons were in a conference that were nothing to laugh at.

5. Temple improved dramatically under rhule, meanwhile addazio rode the wave and 'perceived' momentum that golden created

Knucklehead said...

Because he was at Temple meant he was not an option for bc is ridiculous, of they are conducting a legitimate search like Baylor did.

Baylor took him because they wanted the best coach available. They got it. Told you bitches 6 weeks ago he was number one on my list.

eagle1331 said...

If we don't fire Daz, I may become a Temple fan. The mediocrity of the team and blatant disregard for the fan and game day experience have completely lost me. I have a letter saved on my computer that I now send in response to all BC donation solicitations...

mod34b said...

say, BC did fire Daz - who would BC get this year?

Top 3 "wish" guys - Rhule, Brohm, Fleck

I don't think BC could compete to get any of these guys. Rhule is getting 7 years $20M + from Baylor. Brohm getting 6 year $20M form Purdue. PJ is being picky. Turned down Cincinnati and maybe turned down Oregon (or they turned him down)

Next year BC will need to pony up $3,000,000 a year for 5+ years to get a good coach and eat ~$8,000,000 in Daz pay...(assuming BB did not negotiate a favorable buyout)

If BC fired Daz this year, I wonder who the real candidates would be? Al Golden? Ryan Day? Despite my aversion to The "Empty Laminated Resume" Day (notice how poorly the QBs at Philly and SF have done under Day), he'd be a big improvement over Daz

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mod34b said...

"Rhule's association with Temple means he was never going to be a BC coach"

agree with Knuckle... not buying this .....

knucklehead said...

The ultimate irony would be Dazzler gets to a bowl game, loses the Bowl game and gets removed as HC. I think this game is huge for Dazzler. It breaks the deadlock of this season - that many have discussed here - Loses Big to the non-academic school, Wins Big over the loser schools, Goes 50-50 against the Others. The Bowl game is another Other. If Dazzler wins then he has a winning record overall and a winning record against common opponent types.

This is pass fail they way they do it in College Park. haha.

If he loses there is no way the season can be characterized as a success regardless of the spin. A loss for Dazzler means he starts next season as the #1 coach on the soon to be replaced list.

mod34b said...

knuckle. win or lose, daz will brag about BC being 'bowl eligible' 3 of 4 years and achieving that 'lofty' status once again in 2016.

Win or lose, he is back next year..... but if Daz wins the bowl some (like you, at times) will view the season as a success...

so, I do not see the game having any importance to anyone about anything.....

knucklehead said...

It should important to people who are concerned about the status of the coach. With the schedule next season he is probably going to have a losing record, 4-5 wins. If he starts next season on the seat then there is no realistic way he makes it past next year. If he ends the season with this win then the "management" at BC will look at next season as a clean slate. He might be able to wiggle his way to an extension if he wins this game and goes .500 next season.

I am watching regardless of the coach, the record, the talent level or whether or not I think the season has been a success.

mod34b said...

so do you think 2016 was a success?

game is unimportant.

Orestus said...

Why is it taken as a given that Bates will not be picking the next HC? Has he announced his retirement or something? I keep seeing this written but am just wondering is this just informed speculation or is he definitely gone at the end of the year or something?

Georgia Eagle said...

Good question.

mod34b said...

Oresfus - Bates' 5-year contract expires in early/mid 2017 and there is no talk of him being renewed. Various people claim they heard insider info that he will not be renewed.

Orestus said...

Cool, thanks for the clarification.

knucklehead said...

Mod if you consider yourself a supporter of the school or the program then the game is important.



Bravesbill said...

The basketball team just got demolished by Harvard....which is the same team that got wrecked by Holy Cross. This team is going to win an ACC game how?

Big Jack Krack said...

Wow!

Do you think we can put up another winless ACC season?