Wednesday, May 23, 2018

Congrats on APR...I guess

Once again many BC teams had perfect APRs and overall the Athletic Department remains committed to graduating their athletes. I admire those athletes. Most are out of the spotlight and have huge time and travel commitments. They are all more disciplined and hard working than I was at the Heights. I also remain proud that throughout different administrations, BC remains committed to graduating its athletes. What bothers me about trumpeting our APR score is how hollow it is nation wide.

You have a program in UNC that created fake courses and grades -- yet were never punished -- talking up their APR. Florida State seemingly doesn't even try to graduate their players. I don't know whether to shake my head at them or admire that at least they are not pretending that Florida State football is anything other than a minor league.

I will keep standing on my soap box, but college sports needs to change and I want BC to lead the change. Graduating Boston College athletes is noble. But we also need to give them real compensation for the revenue they bring in. We can't just rest on the value of a diploma when so many of our opponents devalue the educational experience and are not even trying to educate these kids.

21 comments:

mod34b said...

ATL before you get on your soap box check your shoes for dirt and dog shit

Bc is LAST APR in latest available year for men ‘s basketball. 15 out of 15. If ND included its 16 out of 16.



Football: BC is 3rd behind Duke and Clemson

We do well nationally in APR based on sports that should not be funded by BC. Like fencing, swimming, diving, golf

Georgia Eagle said...

ATL, it appears you want BC to jump into the gutter with the rest of the sport factory schools. No, NO! Never, NEVER!!

Napolean Bonaparte said...

Maybe we need to pay the fencers, swimmers, divers and golfers for keeping our APR so high and for getting so little credit.

Knucklehead said...

Dog shit. Filthy provacative and typical of you hypocritical.

You don't know any about APR except the results you regurgitate. Look up the methodology and then come back to me with an explanation about BCs APR in major men's sports.

We have students in the secondary sports. Unlike most schools.

Georgia Eagle said...

I believe most nonscholarship sports have real students. The question and grey area is the low-revenue scholarship sports like baseball , track &field, and many of the 'womans sports programs where bc shines above the pack. Am I wrong?

Knucklehead said...

Doesn't the fact that Boston College is rated in the top 5 without bb or FB show you that it has students and 98% of the other schools do not(to the same extent).

You think the women's or mens track teams in the SEC or Big 12 have the same academic standards or capabily as Boston Colleges, for example.

Georgia Eagle said...

I do not. That was my point, Mr. Knuck.

Knucklehead said...

This doesn't even touch on the quality/rigour of the schools or the academic competition BC athletes deal with compared to 95% of the other schools.

Do you think the golf team at Arizona State is taking comparable classes to the golf team at Boston College? If they are do you think the quality of the student in the Arizona State classes is comparable even if they are taking classes with the general student body(like BC athletes) or ones filled and designed for athletes?

Georgia Eagle said...

Why are you being your typical contentious self? We are on the same sheet of music. I don't have a problem with your argument. I fricking agree!

mod34b said...

Georgia, because he is a dick.

TGS said...

Khead is a lightweight, mental defective who truly believes his alma mater has no flaws. Complete dirt bag.

BCEagles2014 said...

In theory, I love that BC does things the right way. But I can't help but feel they're suckers for doing so. The NCAA has made it abundantly clear that they do not care if teams cheat and only care about the cash these teams are bringing them. When a scandal is exposed, the NCAA will virtue signal and posture about integrity while handing down a mere slap on the wrist to the offenders. Penn freaking State covered up years of sexual abuse of minors, and they're back as one of the top football programs in the nation. As ATL mentioned, UNC created fake classes for its athletes. Louisville hired hookers for its players and recruits. Sure these teams will have to deal with a postseason ban and vacated wins for a couple of seasons, but after that it'll be back to business as usual.

I'm almost at the point where I'm ok with BC cheating just to have a chance to compete with the big boys. If they cheat, so what? The prior success from cheating will put BC on the map and still make it an attractive destination for recruits. Clearly doing things the "right" way isn't leading to any success or recognition for BC. We still have a poor reputation in athletics, meanwhile the Florida States and UNC's of the world are getting all the glory. What do you thinks fans or alumni care more about: APR rankings or championships?

mod34b said...

TGS, BC is not even his alma mater... he is a wannabe

Knucklehead said...

You asked a question. I answered it.

Knucklehead said...

TGS, You are intimidated and cannot get enough.

Knucklehead said...

Mod, When Rutgers calls and verifies your degree I will believe that you even graduated from a college.

John feeney said...

In the old days, back before APR and the threat of its associated penalties, many colleges didn't much care whether the athletes graduated or didn't. Use the kids for four years and cut them loose. If they didn't meet some basic standard, don't give them the university's BA and keep some integrity, all at no cost one way or the other. As soon as APR and possible sanctions came along, it was entirely predictable that most colleges would quickly jettison any thoughts of academic integrity and turn their efforts toward figuring out ways to keep scholar athletes, literate or not, eligible -- see UNC and many others who didn't get caught -- and avoid APR penalties. Was it Auburn that went practically overnight from a miserable graduation rate to a stellar one? At most P5 colleges, I suspect it takes a mind-straining lack of effort on the part of a revenue sport athlete to become ineligible or not receive a degree. You need to neglect to turn in that one-page paper about your on-line music appreciation class or simply drop out as soon as your last game is played. Once upon a time, the UNC game program listed each player's major. More than half the team were "recreation" (sic) majors or something equally absurd. I wonder if they still do that. At the same time, Atl is right about the demands placed on athletes' time and energy. Those who face an academic load comparable to that of other students deserve immense credit. But that is transparently not the case most places. Clemson a top APR performer? I'd really like to see what courses its athletes are taking. And, no, I would not want BC to join the cheaters. What distinction would there be in that? What real connection between the team and the community? (I know, there's abundant evidence how we humans can, on the spot, conjure into existence an arbitrary connection between ourselves and the players on the court -- see any pro sport -- no matter how unreal the connection.)

John said...

Clemson = Sports Communication; and Parks, Recreation and Tourism Management are the go-to majors.

JBQ said...

The most recent NBA "Rhodes Scholar" who in trouble with the police in Milwaukee graduated from SMU with a degree in sports management. Actually, the majors at Clemson which I visited as a member of the military are practical. They can get jobs.---BC is altruistic and I support what they do. However, I agree with Atlanta that the types of players that they are recruiting for basketball and football will never go to law school. I have always thought that a P.E. major with strict differentiation could be a major influence of the BC tradition in the schools in which they recruit.---The Jesuits have always believed in conversion from the inside. There are 28 Jesuit colleges and universities. BC is basically the only one with a campus. The rest believe in changing cities from within. ---Laughingly, the real result is similar to the Archdiocese of Boston sending Shanley and Geoghan into the gay community as chaplains. The same happened with the concept of sending worker priests into the community. They all became Communists.---BC has it right. They just have to "fine tune it". Fencers, swimmers, divers, and golfers all are lifetime sports. Once basketball and football are done, what is left beyond being overweight?---Mary Willingham at North Carolina should have had a statue on campus. There was a Swahili major for those who couldn't even speak Ebonics. Mark Emmert presented the trophy to Villanova and Jalen Brunson. He is a little guy and a twit with a strange ducktail haircut who has his own obvious agenda.---BC has to have standards and be the leader. It is obvious from Atlanta's comments that they have been sold down the river in the destruction of Western Culture and its replacement with a world socialist one. This is all in the name of the "head Jebbie's" boss who is also a Jebbie.

Edward Griffith said...

I believe Under Chet Gladchuk the graduation rate for football and basketball was pretty decent.

Take a trip to Philadelphia and you will find that St . Joe's a Jesuit University has a very lovely campus part on the Philadelphia boundary and a substantial section in Lower Merion Twp of the Main Line.

Knucklehead said...

UConn.