Monday, December 17, 2018

Two thoughts on the shifting recruiting class

The Early Signing Day is Wednesday. As it approaches, BC's well-regarded class continues to lose members. Florida OLine prospect Maurice Smith flipped to Florida State. Michigan LB prospect Marvin Ham has decided to go to Colorado. Predictably this has created frustration among BC fans that follow this stuff. Here are two statements related to this griping, followed by my explanation.

1. I don't really worry about decommits. They happen everywhere. Conversely, we always tend to flip a player to us. No one that has decommited from Addazio so far has proven to be a difference maker elsewhere. (Kwity Paye is the highest profile and has only earned "honorable mention" All Big Ten.)

2. Keeping Addazio to protect this class was stupid. It wasn't mentioned in the extension press release, but I do know that this recruiting class was a factor in keeping Addazio. That was extremely short-sighted. You don't keep a coach because of one batch of recruits. You keep a coach because of a body of work and if he is maximizing the program's potential.

In the end this recruiting class will be fine. Addazio's most redeeming quality is that he's proven to be a very good talent evaluator. He has upgraded the talent across the board and most of his recruits have exceeded their ratings coming into the program. If ratings hold and his past evaluation skills carryover, this will be his best class yet. My concern and fear is that his other pattern (of mismanaging games) will negate this increased talent and he will continue to underachieve while at BC.

75 comments:

mod34b said...

BC’s recruiting class is #61 nationslly, a few slots below Temple and above Rutgers.

It’s bad.


But really this idea that Daz is a good recruiter or talent evslustor is another myth.

Yes Daz has a few outstanding recruits. But he does not recruit outstanding classes or teams.

On offense, we have Dillon and who? 1 or 2 good OL? On D? A DE and DB or 2. BC recruits far less talent than ACC opponents.

I agree that if Daz was extended to protect a #61 class that is dumb.

Georgia Eagle said...

ATL, the eternal optimist who refuses to see the looming disaster.

working rich said...

Game mismanagement?
Like Georgia tech in Dublin?
Like Colorado State ?
Like Florida State this year ?

BCEagles2014 said...

It has really come to the point that one has to wonder if BC is intentionally sabotaging itself. Can anyone think of a Power 5 program as dysfunctional as we are? Protecting the 2019 recruiting class was the only justification for extending Addazio and that has resulted in 2 potential program changing players decomitting. How foolish Jarmond looks right now!

Big Jack Krack said...

Through our head coach we choose to play with "one hand tied behind our back".

Mind boggling and pitiful - but the guy got an extension.

In the Boston accent - we say to each other - how you doing, Succah?

BCAlum2000 said...

The class sucks. This entire thing is a clown show.

ObserverCollege said...

In all seriousness, I agree with ATL regarding Addazio's skill as a talent evaluator, setting aside the joke of "OC" knowing all about evaluating high school student-athletes 8-(. Dillon is not the only one. Petrula. Tommy Sweeney. Zach Allen. Allen Ray. Yiadom. Kamrin Moore. Justin Simmons. He's brought in a number of under-the-radar guys who have real talent, as the NFL has told us.

I hate Addazio for his game planning, his gameday coaching, his posturing, and especially his blinders regarding certain players. The love for Baker. Burying Davon Jones. I would not be the least surprised if we see a "Wee Willie Parker" emerge, where someone disfavored in this regime blossoms in the NFL. As we all know, that's one of the most damning indictments of a coach is to miss a real talent because he doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion of a "dude".

Unfortunately, Leahy was not going to allow any move on Addazio this year given cost and PR considerations. I'm sure Jarmond was also wary of Addazio getting ahead of the story with his media/ESPN manipulation skills in a way that makes Texas A&M look like they're playing CandyLand. We're going to need to suffer through a losing season before BC will bite the bullet.

eagle1331 said...

Why would you commit to a program that a month later can't find someone interested in taking their OC job?

Why would you commit to a coach that got a BS job extension to try and save recruiting, as other commits were dropping?

Why would you commit to play at a school whose AD cares more about his personal fashion choices than actually making measurable progress in any fact? Jarmond is riding on the coat tails of the one accomplishment of his predecessor, thus far.

Why would you commit to a coach who throws his kids under the bus in press conferences?

Why would you commit to a coach who came out with terrible game plans 3 times in a row to end the season? That failed to make half time adjustments in said games? That lost all momentum he built, by his own coaching failures and doing, and then touted Gameday's interest in our school before those blunders, and the main reason to keep him?

BC Football has become a joke. I don't blame the kids for flipping. Jarmond screwed the pooch by extending Daz, and these teenagers are wise enough to see it, while MJ, the Board, and Leahy sit their clueless or indifferent, and the rich donors keep writing checks because they really don't give a rat's ass, and the few true fans left are abandoning ship.

JBQ said...

I just don't know how you can fire a coach who is potentially 8-5 and just a tad below 10-3. Nevertheless, the "handwriting is in the sand". With "Mod", I would have fired him just on future potential. However, he is owed 5 mill. I believe that the extension has a buyout clause. With massive graduation losses at key positions (Allen and Ray are just two), the gimme games may be all that he wins. A clobbering at Notre Dame should open the "squawk box" and send him on his way.

janebc said...

Unfortunately, 1331 is spot on. Why would any kid come to play for a coach whose decisions are not subject to second guessing or questionable, but mind-numbingly bad- guaranteed to fail? The game left this guy behind 25 years ago and he gives them no chance to win. And what is arguably more unfathomable is BCs decision to let the program hit rock bottom twice in one decade

mod34b said...

Mouse just sent me an email asking for money.

I was thinking of giving perhaps $1 or 2 cents! ha. Just some reply to express displeasure.

here is what Mouse says
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This has been a game-changing year for Boston College Athletics. We've launched our first-ever athletics strategic plan and Greater Heights, our first athletics-specific fundraising campaign. We've celebrated the opening of Harrington Athletics Village and Fish Field House and cheered on our Eagles through some incredible moments, including College GameDay's visit this fall.

I hope you will keep the momentum going in the year ahead by giving to BC Athletics before Dec. 31.

Give now at bc.edu/gh

Best wishes to you and your family this Christmas season, and thank you for all you do for BC Athletics.

Sincerely,

Martin Jarmond
William V. Campbell Director of Athletics

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Really, Mouse?, getting wiped out on national TV on Game Day is what you are selling Mouse? getting 9 total yard rushing (averaging 12 inches per rush) on National TV is a cause for celebration?

mod34b said...

maybe we should all give 7 cents (or $7) as a protest for "Seven Win Steve" getting re-upped!!

Ha

BCAlum2000 said...


maybe we should all give 7 cents (or $7) as a protest for "Seven Win Steve" getting re-upped!!

That is actually a fantastic idea.

Georgia Eagle said...

I'm in. Where do we send the money?

mod34b said...

bc.edu/gh

minimum gift if $5. so 7 cents is out, but $7 is allowed

mod34b said...

i just gave $7! and there is a box for purpose... i was allowed to express a few brief thoughts.

Ahha. well worth the $7

Big Jack Krack said...

And on another note - Oh Boy! I can hardly stand the excitement and build up for this big December 26th at 1:30pm Bowl Game.

We are set up to get blown out by our own Head Coach.

Maybe the players can overcome somehow. I hope so.

But more belly series up the middle runs to 8, 9 and even 10 in the box.

Here we come Boise State - "here we are, come getcha some."

So exciting.

Sure, it's exciting when AJ has both feet, and the Oline can open some holes. But that is a stretch anymore with Addazio who has market regressed this year.

Sad.

Big Jack Krack said...

Markedly - I hate autocorrect.

JERZeagle said...

guys this whole 7-win-steve mantra is giving too much credit to addazio. 3 of the 7 wins every year are over terrible competition.

JERZ

mod34b said...

JERZ, true, but the 7 win Steve is literally true, a symbol of medicority and also alliterative (look it up KH)

BCNavy89 said...

Mod34B - thank you for a $7 way to express angst.

knucklehead said...

All the defensive players came in to play for Brown because his style is NFL. The BC defense in done. Allen, Ray Smith a corner and safety gone. The defense sucks. The offense has no coordinator. They cannot get anyone to take the job.

Only the idiot Mod would say he is giving 7 $$. Stupid waste of money just like the Rutgers degree.

knucklehead said...

. . . Ghetto school.

ObserverCollege said...

Sometimes when you bring a horse to water, you have to let it hang around and get used to the water. You might end up missing dinner, but eventually the horse is going to drink.

We'd like Fr. Leahy and the applicable Board (of I can't remember what they call it) to go ahead and move on from Coach Addazio. The only way to see the coach give up his guaranteed $5m or so would have been to engineer an attractive offer someplace else. But that wasn't going to happen--not at that pay rate.

So BC would be stuck eating $5m, and we all know BC doesn't do that. Even with the "extension", I'm sure the bill is closer to say $3m if they let him go next year.

For BC to eat even $3m, Addazio has to make his failures utterly obvious. That means letting him flounder through the upcoming season. Although I usually agree with JaneBC, I don't think BC is in the disastrous straits we were in post-Spaz and post-Henning. There is talent for a quality S&C program and good strategists to exploit. Jarmond would have to make a very savvy hire though, not just one that gets him good reviews. The WBB pick gives me hope for our coaching search next December.

Edward Griffith said...

Watching BC football 1983-2007 (Many games on You Tube) what rational explanation is there
for permitting DAZZO=SHIT to continue?

knucklehead said...

Urban going bye bye took moving Dazzler to OSU and bringing in Day off the table. Which was the plan.

We need to do what Northwestern did with Fitzpatrick, give an alumnis time(Al Washington Brian Flores) in the job to build success or go with an older age HC who knows what the fuck he is doing and support him with young assistant like Campanale and Brown, meaning bring back Paul Pasqualoni but as HC.

Giving 7 dollars doesn't accomplish shit. Literally, figuratively or in the warped deflective manner of thinking Mod lives by sustains himself by.

knucklehead said...

-us.

mod34b said...

u mad bro? about wat?

mod34b said...

KH is it that you do not have $7? would you like a donation?

Georgia Eagle said...

Lol Mod is trying reverse psychology on Khead. Slaying the beast with kindness. Too funny.

mod34b said...

i know.. gotta try something....

dixieagle said...

So, basically, Addazio has a moderate talent for identifying prospects, some of whom actually attend BC, but is such a lousy game-day coach that the team never lives up to its potential.

Georgia Eagle said...

Dixie, BC never gets the 4&5 star studs. The difference is previous coaches like Tom O'Brien were able to coach them up. Dazoshit can't tie his own shoes.

The Tall One said...

Brian Flores is being interviewed and considered for NFL coaching positions. He's a heck of a guy and loyal to BC, but his first head coaching opportunity will be in the NFL, not NCAA.

knucklehead said...

No. It is the waste of money. You are a douchebag.

mod34b said...

Are you mad today knucklepiss?

mod34b said...

Something gotten under your knuckle skin? You can tell us.

Knucklehead said...

We will see. Not the way the Patriots defense is playing. They are terrible. Does he want to spend three years as the untitled DC in NE or headcoach BC for 2-3 million? You know the cheapshit Kraft isn't paying him.

Al is the choice anyway.

Knucklehead said...

Mod, You are a pig. Everyone on the other site hates you because you are dumb. TGS really likes you here so you have that to fall back on. You are dumb as shit and have not idea. You literally no idea how stupid you are and how little you contribute. I get to shine a light on your drivel every day.


I cannot wait until Jarmond tracks down the $7 donation and calls you out. Oh wait he cannot because you made it all up. Douchebag.


Rutgers grad.

mod34b said...

So knuckle you are going to exemplify BC (even though not a grad) spirit and help me? Or just another year of name calling? Are you mad bro? Hope not.

Georgia Eagle said...

I sense the need for a group hug. We are all angry and frustrated over the horrific mismanagement of the BC sports program by mental midgets - total malfeasance.

Knucklehead said...

Mod, You are hypocrite who has his head up his ass.

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Knucklehead said...

Mod is the worst sort. The worst. Everything that folks hate about Boston College Mod exemplifies with his "comments." A total pig who gives Boston College a bad name.

Knucklehead said...

Wait for it. TGS will suddenly appear soon.

mod34b said...

at least i went to BC knuckle. You are free to leave and go back to your alma mater blog.

knucklehead said...

Mod, you think this blog is called Scarlet Knight in Atlanta.

Good self control not allowing TGS out.

Eagle Esquire said...

Jerry........Jerry.........Jerry..........Jerry!!!!

The Tall One said...

@Knucklehead - Pats aren't playing SuperBowl-winning caliber defense, but they are certainly doing well enough that Flores will get interest again this offseason (the same way he did last season too).

Agreed that Kraft probably isn't paying him a ton because being a pupil of Belichick is worth something. How many OCs and DCs get interest merely because of that?

Also, Flores will get the nod to be the official DC after this season. The question is will he stay or take an HC job somewhere else. We'll find out.

knucklehead said...

The timing isn't right. This season has hurt his stock. The Belickick understudy track record is weak. The Patriots seem to be falling apart. He may get DC title after this year but he isn't getting an NFL HC job as a defensive minded coach whose defense sucks. They are hiring offensive guys in the NFL right now. He kind of reminds me of the guy Tampa hired who sucked before current guy who sucks there now too. Not sure he is a successful NFL HC. He might get an HC job in a couple years but I don't think he will do well consistently. Thinking maybe a team like Jacksonville goes after him now with coughlin and a defensive minded team but they really need to turn it around quick. Maybe the Jets(Bronx guy could sell her) but they cannot take a risk either.

knucklehead said...

Her = himself. Excuse phone.

The Tall One said...

Hey - I agree with all of your points. But I also think that teams will interview him and an offer will come. I also think he is definitely more likely to find himself as an HC in the NFL before HC in the NCAA.

And more importantly for these boards, as much as I would LOVE to see him coaching BC, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

As I receive more emails from BC asking for donations and promoting these new athletic plan - I can't help but think that I have been a season ticket holder every year since I graduated 15 years ago and have had a tailgate every year as well. If this coming season goes as badly as I think it will (5-7), then I may just stop doing it altogether.

How this organization is setting up this football team (let's just keep doing the same thing over and over) is a lot like how Addazio runs his offense (just keep running it up the middle into the pile of people).

knucklehead said...

Decent replacements for the 2019 recruiting class today.

Mod is a hack.

BCAlum2000 said...

Flores' stock is still high as he is thought of as a great leader. In the NFL, where you are surrounded by top-level x's and o's guys, this is the one intangible that is invaluable. He supposedly hit it out of the park last year when interviewing with Arizona and despite being on no one's radar, nearly landed that job. That reputation is now out throughout the league. That said, I do agree that the NFL is all about offense now and that his stock has at best stagnated this season. I think it would be a no brainer for him to accept a job as a head coach at his alma mater and get paid $2-$3 million in the process. That said, he has to be offered the job and we all know that isnt happening at the moment ...

JBQ said...

Sixteen players in the recruiting signings. The quarterback is 6 ft 4. The running back is 5 ft 9 which means smaller. There are six d-backs and all but one are 6 ft which means 5 ft 9. The linebacker is 6 ft 5. There are two big d-ends and two big d linemen. One O lineman is 6 ft 8 and the other is 6 ft 4. Both wide receivers are 5 ft 9 to 6 ft which means both are 5 ft 9.--------------------------BC needs size. The d backs are a definite "short coming". The wide receivers also. What about a big running back like AJ? The rest of the recruits are "big and mean". Most teams that BC faces are big time with tall 6 ft 4 receivers. Their own receivers at 5 ft 9 are being covered by tall d backs. These two areas are a definite problem and need to be addressed. The rest of the tall recruits are a definite welcome addition.

TGS said...

Only a complete moron like Khead would think Mod and I are one and the same. He’s too dumb to remember we have disagreed on some issues in the past. Our common bond, along with everyone else here, is our intense hatred for Dickhead, aka Khead.
Btw, he couldn’t donate because he spent his last $7 on a Ruth bader Ginsberg look a like blow up doll.
Guy says he went to BC, got a masters from the Harvard of the south LSU, and now says he is a 45 year old PhD candidate at BC.
Delusional loser.

mod34b said...

TGS, well said! of course KH never went to BC. Ha!

The 45 year old finance PHD candidate at BC who calls everyone a douche bag and worse, but can't remember the name of his Frosh dorm. I do not think Bain Capital will be offering KH work once he get his "PHD." Funny thing is tht BC Fiance PHd page says there are only 4-5 PhD candidate per class and the oldest is 36. https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/schools/carroll-school/graduate/phd-programs/phd-finance.html#class_profiles

KH is BC's only wannabe. that really says loser.

Khead is a full-blown masshole/asshole and a deviant! misery is all he ever brings.

knucklehead said...

Posting together again. TGS and Mod.

Both having trouble coming to terms with their reality. Ego and alter ego.

Always taking notes though.

Losers.

knucklehead said...

Mod,

Every comments you type at 65 works per minute, mastered at Rugters, is a total embarrassment to yourself, TGS and Boston College.

Drama queen.



knucklehead said...

Ryan Day locked in an almost unbelievable recruiting class but unfortunately it is true and you have to chew on it.

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knucklehead said...

Mod, You and your TGS don't know shit about sports either.

knucklehead said...

. . .Stupid pig.

Stalk that on the internet you deviant.

dixieagle said...

GE - completely agree. The 4 star recruiting prospects - if they ever even had BC on their radar - virtually always end up at a football factory. It's clear we have some very good talent this year; I can only imagine their frustration at the disappointing, but utterly typical, way this season has turned out due to Daz's incompetence.

dixieagle said...

No sooner had I stated that we never get 4* recruits than I noticed that Sam Johnson has (at least for now) committed. We'll see if he sticks.

Georgia Eagle said...

Dixie, my sister. We are in complete agreement.

knucklehead said...

That is guy I was talking about several weeks ago. Maybe he will start in January and give AB a run.

mod34b said...

CLAIM.

knucklehead7:00 PM
Ryan Day locked in an almost unbelievable recruiting class



Fact

OSU class is #20 nationally . Last year OSU was #2. So Ryan DAy actually brought in the worst OSU class in many many years.

knucklehead said...

Actually idiot since the best recruiter outside of Alabama quit as the HC the Ohio St recruiting class was incredible. 2 or 20, or so you claim it is better than your Rutgers program.

knucklehead said...

Stupid pig.

knucklehead said...

You need to learn how to think.

Unfortunately for you internet cannot teach you how to do that.

Big Jack Krack said...

We have our best class since 2003! Per the extended Head Coach. It will be beautiful.

BTW - Johnson still has to beat out Brown, McDonald and Valecce - not sure whether Perry is transferring or not.

But then again, once the Extended Head Coach (TEHC) zeroes in on a favorite, all the others have to do is enjoy the paid education, networking and social life.

knucklehead said...

They ought to move Perry to WR or KR.

The DL is done. They don't have anything at that position. The defense is a porked as Mod's dog.

Georgia Eagle said...

Brown is a BAD qb. Why can't Dazoshit seeeeeee that? He refuses to even look at that others. What a disqustingly horrendous dirt bag we have for a head coach.

CvegasEagle said...

the DL is going to be bad. Its going to be a disaster. They need to find FCS guys who can transfer. Not kidding -- thats the state of our Dline.