Saturday, July 15, 2017

ICYMI: Vaughn Williams' letter

I tweeted this out earlier in the week, but want to mention it again. If you haven't read Vaughn Williams' letter on leaving KSU for BC, you should. Williams is exactly the type of hire Jarmond needed to make. He ran his own department, so he provides an experienced perspective to our young AD. He is a delicate balance of insider/outsider, in that he carries enough institutional BC knowledge to bridge some gaps, yet is not married to any one idea or way of doing things. Finally, he clearly has passion for BC. If you are going to bring in a new No. 2, Williams seems like the right guy for this job.

56 comments:

JBQ said...

I am dubious but let's wait and see. Just as Northern Illinois is a watermark for Addazio, the Addazio situation will be a watermark for the entire new athletic leadership. If this is handled well, then they will win hearts and minds. If it is bungled and who knows one way or the other, then "the torches come out".---Let's hope and pray that the ship of state is righted and everyone enjoys the Thanksgiving holiday and the Christmas season.

Section D said...

l luv Vaughn Williams' passion Guy luvs Football. Luvs BC. Guy luvs students. Guy luvs student athletes Man is a winner

Daz best be nervous Pointedly, Williams said this awesome nuggets

"I think I’ve figured out a little more about hiring the right coaches, some of those things that are important to finding the next one and being honest with yourself about where you are as a program and ultimately, where you need to go. We spent 14 months looking for a football coach to lead our team. Hiring staff is one of the most important things we’ll do at Boston College."

Daz is as good as gone yep.

Where are those embarrassing shit-bag detractors of Jarmond's hire now? (georgia eagle and his buddy knucklehead (aka meathead))

Georgia Eagle said...

Fake news section D. I have never said a negative word against Jarmond. I wish him well and assume the administration hired the BEST QUALIFIED man for the job. All hires should be color-blind and based on MERIT and nothing else.

JBQ said...

@Georgia Eagle: I support the response of "Georgia Eagle".

Georgia Eagle said...

I can always count on my pal JBQ. Wish Mod34 returned.

Knucklehead said...

Section D,
You have a reading comprehension problem. I said the department is his now. You are a bloody moron.

Anne Marie Gahring said...

Two great possibilities for new foot ball coach

PETER CARMICHAEL JR The Offensive Coordinator
for the New Orleans Saints.

Jack Bicknell Jr

BOTH ARE BC GRADS and would hopefully resist siren calls when they have the SPAZDAZIO MESS
cleaned up and moving us to the top 25.

Section D said...

Sorry meathead. You made comments that were negative about the hire of Vaughn Williams and likely have a Brietbart attitude about the need for diversity at BC . You're a crass slob and breathtakingly stupid. (Gee why isn't BC defense elite??? )

knucklehead said...

Section d,
You are a passive aggressiveness bitch. Take the politics somewhere else. O can run with the back and forth all day long for as long as it takes. I always win. Always.

knucklehead said...

. . . And you angry like the hyperpolitical, crybaby, given everything pukes who cannot handle that the bitch they voted for didn't win the presidency.

Wha wha crybaby.

Don't talk about Jarmond because it offends me . . . You are a bitch.

Georgia Eagle said...

I think Section D goes to Berkeley and is a Leftist community activist to shut -down the First Amendment. Right Comrade? Anything that doesn't toe the liberal line is racist hate speech. What a snowflake asshole.

Section D said...

Meathead. Thanks for proving what a meathead you are.

your tone and comments are certainly not in keeping with what is expected of a BC grad. But you veoukd know anything about that

Section D said...

*wouldn't

BCBCBC said...

Georgia Eagle, do you find it difficult to type with your white hood on?

Georgia Eagle said...

Nah. Gets in the way of all my Nazi symbols.

Knucklehead said...

Section D,
Are you really thankful . . . you passive aggressive squid?

You have a reading comprehension problem which is typical of someone who cannot comprehend something that they choose not to understand. In your(hypocritical and dumb) case that is that it is not racist or piggish to question someone who is not white.

You started the piggish name calling because you know that you are wrong.

Bitch.

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JBQ said...

@BCBCBC: What an ignorant comment! Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion or is it just your liberal mentality that matters. @Section D or is it "Section 8" (housing)? Jarmond "is on the clock" for how he handles Addazio. Till then, he has a honeymoon period. Once he misses his period, then various types of "contraception" will be utilized. Till then, let's see how he does. His paper trail actually looks good.

Georgia Eagle said...

JBQ! JBQ! JBQ!

John said...

It's ignorant to use the word "liberal" as a pejorative.

BCBCBC said...

Wait, so now it is "liberal" to not be a racist? Georgia used race as his/her sole reason for questioning a hire. That is racist...not liberal or conservative.

Georgia Eagle said...

Dumbass, my whole premise was based on color-blind hiring policies and not reverse discrimination. I have seen that in the army, the city of Atlanta and colleges. Are you LIBTARDS to blind and immersed in political correctness to understand that?

Georgia Eagle said...

Too

Danny Boy said...

GE, if that was your premise, you did a pretty poor job of conveying it. The way it came across was that when presented with 2 people with pretty solid resumes who happen to be black, you called for color-blind hiring policies...after never having made that type of comment before (at least as witnessed by me, a long-time reader).

If you're concerned about merit-based hiring, why raise a fuss when we have two well-regarded hires who, based on their resumes, were no-brainers from a hiring standpoint? The way your posts read, you couldn't take issue with their experience, instead you took issue with that other thing.

Georgia Eagle said...

Only from your perspective. Did you read my post commenting on the wrong of a " lilly-white male AD department? Of course not. I simply don't want the administration and Jarmond go to the other extreme. And how the hell do you know for for sure these are the best available candidates? You don't.

Georgia Eagle said...

All you and the others see is from the prism of the wonderful glory of affirmative action.

Danny Boy said...

The only thing you mentioned about a lily white athletic department was that you don't react to it by bringing in exclusively blacks and women. Believe me, I read it. I read it three times. You didn't condemn the lily-white department at all. I'll quote you if you like.

I asked you on the previous thread, and I'll ask you again, we just hired two deputy ADs who between them have power 5 experience, ties to BC, experience running their own program, hiring a football coach, working in an academic-minded university, and even creating a lax program. What are your concerns about that?

Why are you so quick to name call and attack? I haven't shown and disrespect, or attacked you. You're so quick to lump me into this "other" with no knowledge of who I am or what I think. We hired two qualified individuals, we have as much insight to them as we would any hire. You have shown zero reason for anyone to believe that they were a quota hire, or the beneficiaries of affirmative action, which leaves only the one reason you've been most vocal about.

knucklehead said...

The article in the globe was about diversity.

Georgia Eagle said...

One more time. Diversity is a two way street. I simply haven't seen it in my previous examples which you conveniently ignore. I don't want that same reverse discrimination to develop in our AD. If that offends you then just bite me.

Danny Boy said...

And one more time, you're sounding that alarm a little prematurely. I don't care what the political appointees of Atlanta look like. It has no bearing on BC.

BC just hired two qualified individuals. There is no need to worry about the demographic makeup of the deptartment, you weren't worried when we hired another white guy, there is no need to worry now. We hired 2 deputy ADs who both appear to be more qualified than our former AD. That should be cause for celebration. Worry about the hypotheticals if they become actuals.

If you're offended by that, then you need to seriously reevaluate. And then bite me.

Knucklehead said...

Danny Boy the Globe and the AD are talking about diversity. They are making a point about it publicly. They want you to see that they are hiring a diverse slate of employees. They want the public to know that they aren't racist/bias. Is it racist or bias to say what you observe and also what the school is espousing?

What am I missing?

They wanted more diversity and hired an athletic department that is managed in-full by African Americans. Saying(writing) that you see a hiring trend that is consciously being formed(by the AD and indirectly by the President of the University) is not racist/bias.

Max said...

I love diversity. The only problem is it doesn’t work. Can’t wait for the ISIL, LGBT-XYZ and 3 legged bisexual cyborg to be hired.

The issue people refuse to acknowledge regarding diversity is just because you think it is the right thing to do doesn’t make it true or right.

Sounds like GE speaks from experience. Everyone who is offended has led a charmed life. God Bless.

Look up the definition of utopia

Max said...

There is no such thing As a “no brainer” hire decision. If you think that you have not thought at all.

Danny Boy said...

Knuck, there is a difference between hiring diverse people and affirmative action. You can hire highly qualified people who happen to be diverse, or you can hire less than qualified people because they're diverse.

I haven't seen anyone able to say that these two aren't qualified. If they're qualified, and they appear to be, diversity is ancillary. If they're qualified, race should not be a concern of ours, and yet it appears to be for a subset of these readers. Suggesting that these two qualified individuals got their jobs because of race is patronizing at best, and racist, as others have suggested, at worst.

Knucklehead said...

With all respect. You are missing the point. The school is making a point about diversity by dropping an article about it into the best sports section in America. The school is "talking up diversity" publicly and then hiring a right hand and left hand person to the AD who are "diverse." They are the ones implying that there is a diversity issue at Boston College and then hiring people that are "diverse." Are they trying to "fix" the problem?

The school and the AD are making a big deal about it. Who knows if the three hires were made based on merit alone, merit/diversity status or diversity status alone. Once the institution clamors about something other than merit a level of uncertainty arises about fairness. Unless one is comfortable with hypocracy one cannot allow any group to be treated unfairly.

AHANA students make up 37% of the school which is pretty close to the demographic dispersion in the US(more diverse by percentage than the US population)

Whomever says BC is not diverse is absolutely ignorant and has not spent enough time there(cough cough).





Georgia Eagle said...

Save your breath, Knuck. The "Offended Class" in this form live in a surrealistic liberal bubble world as they write from their exclusively white gated communities. Hypocrites.

Georgia Eagle said...

Forum

Danny Boy said...

Knuck, you raise a good point. The school IS talking about it. I'm not saying we don't talk about it, but I am trying to advocate for the level of nuance that the conversation really deserves. If after being hired, people said that I was only hired because I'm a BC grad, it would do a disservice to me. It suggests that I didn't actually deserve to be hired.

When BB was hired, lots of us were concerned about his resume, his coming from the MAC, is hiring practices, etc. Those are all valid concerns (that especially played out over his tenure).

What is alarming with these hires is that no one is discussing their qualifications. If you (or others) have concerns about that, lets talk about that. But all I'm seeing are concerns over their race, and thats ridiculous - whether the University is discussing race or not. If we're going to talk about it, fine, but lets do it within the context of the qualifications of the hires.

Also, I think part of the focus is being placed on the diversity within the Athletic Department is because there is such a strong AHANA representation on campus, and yet that isn't matched within the Athletic Department.

As for you, GE, who's offended? From the name calling and vitriol spewing out of your mouth, you sure sound like the offended party. If that is the only language you know, then maybe its time to go back to the kids table and let the adults speak maturely about mature, nuanced subjects. And for the fifth time, if you have any concerns about the qualifications of our Deputy ADs, I'd love to hear them. So far you've done nothing but dodge the real questions and bluster about.

Georgia Eagle said...

I use sarcasm, not profanity. A little thin-skinned, Danny Boy.
And how do YOU know these three were BEST QUALIFIED and not primarily diversity hires?

Max said...

DannyBoy
Your age, experience, vocation and general perspective of the world is unknown.

I do know that people that talk like you do have serious issues and will not invite reality into their lives if it does not meet certain criteria.

Diversity for diversity sake is a crock of shit. Just another way to allow people to feel good and assuage their perceived guilt.


All things being equal if the hires were based on a minority’s influence and good press; I cry racism


The new AD has not been in office long enough to pick the best candidates yet. Hell in his own words he puts family first. Not a bad ideal. But on the same coin don’t tell me he did his due diligence for present and future BC athletics with this decision. It reeks of comfort and easy route. It reeks of BC becoming non offensive to people that don’t give a shit. The Globe and people who read it vote for Hillary and the new world order. Let me know when am ISIL terrorist kills a family member or a lesbian or “transgender” gets your job. You do not have a clue of the real world. Hide behind AHANA stats and demand the world comply. You phoned and fraud.

None of this matters as BC football is a joke. A head coach who does recruiting videos for snowflakes instead of keeping/ hiring the best assistant coaches.

A head ciach who does not even understand the “nuances” of the game( your word). Jack Bicknell, Tom Coughlinanf Tom OBrien have forgotten more than this man knows or can hope to know.

Players who think they will be the next Tom Brady or JJ Watts. While playing Wagner, Buffalo and other parishes just to go to a meaningless bowl game. It is people like you that have watered down this country to the point of becoming a banana republic.

Go the the games. Tailgate with your beautiful friends. Pretend you have a clue

Rich Conboy said...

*headdesk*

knucklehead said...

Nobody explicitly said they were hired because they were black. I sure as shit didn't. My point again is that any discussion of hiring/admittance based on diversity leads to uncertainty about the reason for them being chosen over someone else.

curranac said...

Compelling letter by Williams. Looks like both roles are strong hires by our new AD as he builds out his department. Ultimately though he won't be judged on hiring, but on winning. If the department can help Daz and Christian build winning programs, that would certainly be the most efficient path back to ACC contention, but based on their own track records and Williams comment about hiring coaches, looks like we'll be starting fresh.

In terms of other candidates, I would expect all of our finalists for leadership positions to be very well qualified, allowing us to "miss out" on something each one brings to the table.

If race of the candidates was also part of the decision, I'm all for it. For too long, it wasn't part of the criteria used in the final hiring process of leadership roles at BC, because all of the final candidates were white.

Georgia Eagle said...

So you are all for race being a factor in the hiring decisions. I don't know wether to laugh or cry. There should be one, and only one criteria - MERIT!

Section D said...

BC has diversity reputation problem - not an actual diversity problem

Boston has a bigger diversity reputation problem that impacts BC.

you can argue that diversity is bogus (it isn't), BC's reputation is BS (meh, needs improvement), or that Boston lesser reputation is unfair and wrong (kinda deserved).

People (and other slobs here) can argue all day about it.

People, esp young people who do not have a lot of world experience, make decisions based on perceptions of reputations. Bottom line is that this lesser reputation of BC is real and it really hurts BC in many ways. including recruiting athletes and coaches.

it is a good thing - for many reasons - that BC is trying to fix it.

knucklehead said...

Section D(that is where Daddy sits),
You are proving my point. You want to overcompensate for something that doesn't exist.

You are an idiot of the highest order.

You definitely did not go to Boston College.

"meh." You are a punk too.

Section D said...

oh meathead.... so desperate to stir the pot.

curranac said...

Georgia Eagle. I don't disagree that merit should be the primary factor, but that is the definition of utopian.

Reality is that with many hires, across public and private organizations whether they are for profit or non profit, it's who you know, not just what you know.

Whether you love him or hate him, do you think Trump's family members are the most qualified people on earth to work at the White House? When a Jesuit applies for an academic position, do you think he has an advantage over a lay person? Ever gotten a heads up about a job that wasn't officially posted yet?

The list goes on and on. It's how the world works.

curranac said...

In fact, not relying on the Old Boys Network and instead intentionally opening up the hiring criteria to ensure it's a more inclusive process is actually more inline with the merit based approach.

BCBCBC said...

we get it georgia....anyone that doesn't look like you doesn't deserve to be hired. and anyone that disagrees with you is a "liberal". you are a scumbag.

Georgia Eagle said...

"Opening up the hiring criteria to see it's more inclusive." More pc goblygook. How come our universities don't open up their faculties to conservative, straight-white male Republicans? How come historically black colleges don't have diversity for white faculty and suddenly? Why don't black majority cities like Atlanta and Detroit have affirmative action for white city workers.
Again, liberalism is hypocritic .

Georgia Eagle said...

White faculty and students

knucklehead said...

Section D,
Again proving my point with another punk comment.

Georgia Eagle said...

Hypocritical

curranac said...

Georgia Eagle, in case you are interested in actual facts regarding diversity at Historically Black Colleges, according to the US Department of Education as of 2011, 25% of students at Historically Black Colleges are races other than African American. If you're going to complain and demonstrate your ignorance, at least have some facts.

http://time.com/2907332/historically-black-colleges-increasingly-serve-white-students/

Max said...

6 year old data. Great job.

Black colleges. Flip it and say white colleges, Asian colleges or soupbog the day Muslim colleges.

You are a fraud. Pretend you have a clue