Saturday, November 21, 2009

In-game comments post: North Carolina

It is the home finale and a must win. Let's hope the guys go out on top.


I will not be online during the game. Leave your thoughts and comments below.

166 comments:

eagleboston said...

Finally, a game on an actual network!

Another embarrassingly empty stadium. Way to go local alumni.

BCNorCal07 said...

Annoying defense is annoying. God, I hate the soft zone.

eagleboston said...

Kuechley screwed up on that 3rd down pass play. I'm confident he will make that up.

BCNorCal07 said...

Holy crap, they're just not covering anyone today!

eagleboston said...

Boy did the linebackers get blown away on that play action. That fullback was wide open.

eagleinexile said...

we are really being out-coached here in the early going.

BCNorCal07 said...

This is painful already. I feel like this UNC offense is perfectly suited to destroying our D. They have a big back to run over our small front-seven. They have a good TE and possession receivers to find the soft spots in the zone break tackles. They don't rely on the deep ball to be productive. Feels like it's going to be a long day.

Unknown said...

Not a great start.

This is a tough team to fall behind too.

mmason said...

The BC pass defense can't stop any team that throws underneath that 8 yard cushion we have conceded to everyone. When is McGovern going to get it? UNC will just keep this going until forever ends.

What's the game plan? See any new wrinkles?

BCNorCal07 said...

Damnit, why is Jeff Smith returning kicks? He didn't even look fast there. I know it's Senior Day, but this game is important. You know what would be a great way to send out the seniors? With a WIN!

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh fuck bees. Goddamnit. Fuck bees.

Unknown said...

Has Tuggle left campus yet?

mmason said...

Pathetic...

mod34b said...

might be time to turn off the TV and go out and rake some leaves!!.... this is super ugly

mod34b said...

fuck bees??

eagleboston said...

I was lambasted earlier this week for predicting that BC was "not capable" of beating this North Carolina team. I stand by that. I really hope I am wrong but I watch about 5-6 college football games a week and I know a little something about college football. Plain and simple, this BC team is young and inexperienced. They are a decent team, but they really have not played anyone.

Meanwhile, UNC is red-hot. They have beaten Miami and Va Tech in the past 3 weeks. This is pretty much the same team that destroyed BC last year. Give me a little bit if credit when I make my predictions. Again, I hope I am wrong and BC can comeback, but I really think BC is just not talented enough THIS season. Look out next year.

BCNorCal07 said...

The biggest indictment of this coaching staff that I can see is this: the team never comes out ready to play. They always start slow, as if they're surprised that the game is faster and more intense than practice. The execution is sloppy and players seem unsure of their assignments. On top of this, sometimes the play-calling (especially on the defensive side) reflects this. They play close to the vest and refuse to mix it up early giving the opposition an opportunity to get comfortable early. Just once I'd love to see this team come out fast and strong. Just once.

Minuteman Pen said...

Ugh. I can't believe how flat we look all around. Somebody better step up.

Unknown said...

I'm supposed to go watch this and the Clemson game, with my friend the Clemson grad, in ten minutes.

This may be the first time I ever call in sick to an afternoon of football.

mod34b said...

eagleboston pathetic that when BC is getting killed your first thought is praise for your own prior dom and gloom predictions. what a dick

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh fuck this game.

Unknown said...

"how about this Carolina defense"?

Really? That was just an awful throw. How could he not pick that and return it?

Unknown said...

This is going to be a very embarrassing game for us

eagleboston said...

Time for Marscovetra. You are not going to comeback down 3 TD's to this team so it is time to see what the other freshman can do in a game when it matters.

BCNorCal07 said...

Even the play pass to Pantale was an example of how flat this team and the lack of urgency on the part of the offense. Pantale was wide open immediately with no one in sight. Shinskie should have thrown the ball right away. Instead, Shinskie held onto the ball for an extra two steps and by then the defense had recovered and Pantale was tackled immediately. Probably cost the offense about five yards on the play.

The interception? That was effing terrible. Shinskie needs to go the bench right now. He is not in this game at all.

eagleboston said...

No Mod, you were a dick for lambasting my prediction.

BCNorCal07 said...

I do like LeGrande returning kicks. He did a nice job of finding the seam there.

mod34b said...

eagleboston... you just love the doom and gloom... enjoy it.. this is your day to roll in the shit and gloat about it.

eagleboston said...

There is a glimmer of hope here. When teams get up by 3 TD's they really let their guard down. If BC can get a couple scores before half, they have a shot.

Bravesbill said...

Another BC team comes out flat. Surprising. The basketball and football teams must have an annual competition to see which team can have the worst starts on the year. Hey, at least I can go watch the Michigan-Ohio St. game now.

eagleinexile said...

mod34,

Calling eagleboston a dick is not productive. However, EB, not a good time for the "I told ya so" speech, even if you are right.

Looks like a nice day in Chestnut Hill, stands mostly full, glad I am NOT there, though, this is ugly!

btw, I have not received any RSVP's for my Emerald Bowl tailgate, I'd say it's looking like the place to be right now.

BCNorCal07 said...

Where is the emotion from this team?

And why is Dave still in there?

CT said...

eagleboston already wins 'most annoying post ever' award. congratulations.

don't break your hands slapping yourself on the back. u know what? you're actually the only person on here who watches college football. where would we be w/o you?

i can already see ATL's "second viewing" thoughts..."this was ugly."

so, that's what a good defensive line looks like?

Bravesbill said...

Mod, eagleboston was just being realistic. Just because you have a pie in the sky outlook on everything BC does he look like a gloom and doomer.

BCNorCal07 said...

EinE, I might be joining you in the city for that. Not going to be an excited fan-base if we finish the year this way.

Minuteman Pen said...

Holy crap, something positive!

Unknown said...

Let's do something here!!!

BCNorCal07 said...

Nice play by the D there (not that they actually did much to force the fumble). But now we have to score. Throw the ball on first down!

Bravesbill said...

By the way, this is some of the worst playcalling on both sides of the ball ever.

mod34b said...

bravesbill.. this day was made for you too.. enjoy!

eagleboston said...

Mod, I am not gloom and doom. Before the season began, I predicted 7-8 wins. I think that was pretty optimistic given their turbulent off season. Just because I called this particular game the other way does not make me gloom and doom. I call them as I see them and I use logic. This team beat Va Tech in Blacksburg. They beat Miami. This is a very good team at this point in the season.

And I'm sticking with this game even if it goes to 48-0 because I love BC football. I want to be wrong on this. I want BC to catch-up.

Bravesbill said...

Seriously? You can't run the ball so run it up the middle on 3rd and 1. An absolutely predictable play call right there.

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh goddamn. This running game is sickening in its predictability. You have to run misdirection on obvious, short-yardage run plays. When do we ever run misdirection?

Unknown said...

Why not some play action and make this 4 down territory?

That's my problem with Tranquil.

eagleboston said...

Lost in the dim, Apo is still perfect on the year. He is having a tremendous season.

eagleboston said...

Anyone check out the Ohio State uniforms today?

Colin said...

We look like total dog squeeze. Where's the fire to fight back and not send our seniors out like this? The team is practically seep walking out there.

Bravesbill said...

Ya, I have no clue what's going on there. They look pretty ridiculous.

Unknown said...

That was SICK!!! Great play by Giles!

BCNorCal07 said...

WOW! That was an incredible play by Giles! It was a heady play just to get his hands on the ball to deflect the pass, but to actually come down with the pick!

Bravesbill said...

Got to score a TD here. Can't get only 2 FGs off to TOs deep in their zone.

BCNorCal07 said...

tOSU's uniforms are part of the Nike Pro Warrior Whatever system they've been rolling out the past couple of weeks. TCU had them last week, too, as well as Miami, VTech and some others.

Unknown said...

That was a little more than just "fortunate". That was a heady play, and great hands for a d-lineman!


... Seems like there's still some hope. Harris is getting yards, just need to keep the D off balance.

eagleinexile said...

Those Ohio State uniforms look like dog squeeze more than we do, but then again, everything OSU does has a little bit of crap on it.

Way to go defense, now we need 6 here!

eagleboston said...

I'll admit when I am wrong. Alumni Stadium appears full now.

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh Christ. What is with this red-zone play-calling? No misdirection runs. No passing into the end-zone. I am so confused and disappointed in Tranquill today. Even a simple stretch run with split ends would have been a nice change-up.

Bravesbill said...

TCUs pro warrior uniforms or whatever they are looked pretty awesome, unlike OSU's. Ridiculous. Run twice up the middle AGAIN. Predictable again. You cannot settle for another FG in that situation again. Even with those 2 TOs, UNC still has all the momentum as a result of the 2 stops.

mmason said...

There's that soft beach ball toss of the Shinmeister that says INT...
and we setele for 3...
ob la di, ob la da...

CT said...

wow, really bad playcalling down at the 2.

i mean, really bad.

somebody wake up our oc and tell him piccadilly is running a buffet. maybe he'll leave.

eagleinexile said...

unbelievable, missed blocking assignments, bad decisions, and in general their D is playing well, but WTF? If you cannot get a bunch of kids motivated to play what is, at this point, the biggest game of the season at home, then something has to change.

That being said, the O-Line needs to step up, this will be won or lost right there, if we slow their rush, maybe we can execute some plays, but we're just making it easy for them right now!

eagleboston said...

OK, there are the 2 scores we needed before half. I wish one of them were a TD but it appears the D has settled down and the offense is starting to get into a rhythm. Montel looks great. And Apo is still perfect.

mmason said...

We'd have 14pts with a tad more testicular imagination down there near the goal line...

BCNorCal07 said...

Great penetration by the line there and a nice stop on third down! Maybe Tranquill can open his play-book to the touchdown section on this drive.

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh lord. FSU has those new Nike unis, too, and they look awful.

eagleboston said...

McLaughlin is fired up!

Whoa, check out the Florida State unis. I kind of like them.

Unknown said...

D looks good. Harris looks good. Like that they've found a couple underneath passes. Let's not forget this is the same UNC defense that got apathetic against FSU (granted that was before the hot streak)

I've liked most of the Nike uni's. Including OSU's and FSU's. But I'm also a huge fan of what Oregon does. No accounting for my taste, I suppose. (I did think VT's and the camo ones were gross though)

CT said...

never a good thing when shitskie's first option is covered.

a pass rush and pass coverage? what is that about? i've heard about them as concepts but have never experienced them.

mmason said...

Gametime Disaster Warning! When we start talking about FSU's nike uni's BC is in serious trouble. Did the Army Corps of Engineers build this game plan?

BCNorCal07 said...

As far as the new unis, I think they've been a mixed bag. I actually think the OSU ones are okay and I have always like Oregon's uni sets. I really didn't like FSU's black helmets and I've never liked uni sets where the jersey and pants are the same color. I don't know, but I've always thought it looked flat, even white-on-white.

CT said...

why didn't they review the fumble?

not good.

eagleboston said...

The BC defense needs to get their heads into the game. McLaughlin is running around trying to convince the refs of a fumble while UNC is flipping snapping the ball.

BCNorCal07 said...

Mike Mo!

BCNorCal07 said...

Damn, not a pick.

BCNorCal07 said...

OH GODDAMNIT! YOU HAVE TO THROW THE BALL!

eagleboston said...

I think it is critical BC scores on this next drive. The BC defense has pretty much shut UNC down since the first drive but we need to capitalize. A TD before half puts BC within a TD and 2 point conversion.

Why didn't Shinskie just throw the ball away?????

Unknown said...

ugggggggh...

Just an ugle play.

mmason said...

Atlast, the Shankapotomus attacks the
opposing team, and then Shinster does that thing he does...

CT said...

two dave shinskies playing in this game.

unc's offense is unimpressive.

can't even run a trick play right. who's in charge of this offense? a 93 yr old?

mmason said...

anemic...

Unknown said...

Why is Dave still in the game????

BCNorCal07 said...

Okay. So, odds that Marscovetra is the QB in the second-half? 2-1? 3-2? 3-1?

Shinskie has been terrible in this first half. Bad decisions, taking too many sacks, bad throws, interceptions. This game has been a nightmare for him so far.

eagleboston said...

Boy, Shinksie got leveled after the INT.

BC must hold UNC here or it is lights out.

Unknown said...

No touch. Beach Ball arm strength.

Rettig must be excited coming in here.

Bravesbill said...

Oh geez. If UNC is penetrating all day, why would you do a double reverse? Why would Shinskie be the final carrier?! If you're going to take chances, be smart about it.

BCNorCal07 said...

That was a TD-saving play by Rollins. Fantastic play.

Unknown said...

Great play! Even though he was beat, Rollins did great to stay with it!

Bravesbill said...

Dumb INT.

BCNorCal07 said...

Bravesbill: the play worked. Jarvis was open and Dave actually had time and space to throw. He chose not to. That sack was all on Dave. Both interceptions are all on Dave. He has been awful in this first half. The coaching staff needs to get pro-active in this game.

Unknown said...

Kind of crappy situational football by Bowman. Can't fault him, football moves too fast, but pro scouts would've been impressed if he batted it down.

mmason said...

Beauty Bowman INT...

Unknown said...

Curry College is a great school?

Liars! And I went to Keene State.

eagleboston said...

Shankapotomus! Mmason I'm laughing so hard I have tears running down my face.

I realize the 2nd string QB is always the most popular player on the team, but Shinksie is a streaky guy. When he is hot, he is hot. When he struggles, it usually is an all day affair. Might not hurt to give Marsco a shot. On the other hand, the coaches know the player capabilities way better than we do.

BCNorCal07 said...

Lucky flag. Another awful throw from Shinskie

CT said...

bad INT call...but whatever...make that DB a WR, Butch...

finally...somebody open...

BCNorCal07 said...

eagleboston: Shinskie is the reason we're losing so far. Two of his turnovers turned directly into touchdowns. He's had another pick and a throw that would have been a pick if not for the flag. He also had that horrendous goal-line throw that should have been intercepted and every sack he's taken was due to him not getting rid of the ball. He has been terrible. Terrible. That completion to Gunnell was his first good throw of the game.

Bravesbill said...

BCNorCal, that's kind of my point. We all know Shinskie has been struggling but then you pin the outcome of a trick play on his decision making? Put pressure in his face and his decision making gets even worse. I don't think it was a smart play at all.

Unknown said...

I <3 Rich Gunnell!

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh, I don't think it was a smart call but he had a lot of space in the middle of that play to make the throw. That's why I think he shouldn't be in there.

BCNorCal07 said...

Open the book to the TD section, Tranq.

BCNorCal07 said...

Finally.

Unknown said...

Hey-O!

mmason said...

Back from the dead!! The Inscrutable Shinskie to The Indefatigable Gunny!!! We're in this thing! GO EAGLES!

eagleboston said...

BCNorCal,

I totally agree. Shinksie is playing awful today. But, the coaches probably feel BC has a better shot with him than Marsco.

And, don't look now but BC is only down 8 despite Shinksie's play.

I may be eating crow here by the 4th quarter. But, I would much rather BC win than be right about a pre-game prediction.

mmason said...

Looks like Montel has gas, guts and pop to spare!! Pretty...

eagleboston said...

I love that BC is going for it here.

BCNorCal07 said...

Those two throws to Gunnell on that drive (the TD and the 27-yarder) were the first good, rhythm throws from Shinskie. Before those throws, I didn't see any evidence that Marscovetra could have been any worse. Very bad isn't good, but it's still better than terrible. That said, Shin did turn it around a little with the TD drive.

I am excited to see that it's only a one-score game, but I really feel like Tranquill and Shinskie are mis-managing the offense today. Since I don't expect to see Shinskie on the bench, I'm really hoping he can carry the confidence from the last drive into the second-half.

mod34b said...

will the first offensive play by BC in the 2nd half be Harris into the line?

It been the 1st play of the second half every single game this year.

Let's hope for a mojo change and see a screen to Harris!

mod34b said...

A review of the gloating gloom and doomer

"I ... predict[ed] that BC was 'not capable' of beating this North Carolina team. I stand by that. ... Give me a little bit if credit when I make my predictions. "

"Another embarrassingly empty stadium. Way to go local alumni."

It bears repetating: What a dick!

Bravesbill said...

How is a gloating gloom and doomer any different than a gloating pie in the sky clown? He gloated because you slammed his prediction just like you would gloat (and are now gloating) when you're prediction is coming and his isn't. How is there any difference between any of your gloating. If you're going to call him a dick, look in the mirror.

eagleboston said...

The screen to Harris is an underutilized play. I don't know why they don't do that more as he can be dangerous in open space.

Anyway, before the offense takes the field, the D needs to get another stop. BC made a lot of mistakes in the first half. They still seem a little hungover from the bye week. However, if you take away the first drive, the BC D has done a great job and they are fired up. The BC offense needs at least 2 more scores and they need to protect the ball.

mmason said...

As in Nixon or Cheney?...In case my 10 year-old daughter decides to read this while I'm making breakfast.

mod34b said...

BC is 'not capable' of beating this North Carolina team

NOT CAPABLE!

BroodingBill...is BC's competitivness a bummer for you?

If BC starts suckign wind again in the second half are you and EB going get all tingely

BCNorCal07 said...

The D has played really well this game. Hopefully, Giles and McLaughlin will have them fired up for the start of the second half.

eagleboston said...

Bravesbill is exactly right Mod. I made a prediction earlier in the week. You could have let it lie but you blasted me for being negative. I'm not a negative person, but I am realistic. Looking at this game logically, I did not see a way BC could win. That is why I came out and reminded you of the earlier criticism. You got all over me simply because I don't pick BC every single game. When I make my predictions, I go with what I think will happen, not with what I WANT to happen.

On the other hand I'm a big boy and I can take the hits. If I am wrong and BC does win, go ahead and pour it on. I'll be too happy celebrating a BC victory to be upset.

BCNorCal07 said...

UNC's first-play there was positively Tranquillian.

BCNorCal07 said...

How do you not cover anyone short of the first-down line?

mmason said...

BowMAN.

BCNorCal07 said...

Nice stop by the D. Finally covered a guy short of the first down.

BCNorCal07 said...

Montel is running like a man on fire! That was impressive!

eagleboston said...

Hey,

Tranq took Harris outside on the 1st play!

eagleboston said...

Tranq is trying to wear this D down.

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh lord.

eagleboston said...

Did she just say BC is 0-9 on 3rd downs? Ouch.

BCNorCal07 said...

This pass coverage is horrid.

eagleboston said...

Stupid, stupid, stupid penalty.

BCNorCal07 said...

DMC! Nice grab! Whew.

eagleboston said...

Rollins redeemed himself!!!

Bravesbill said...

When did I ever say that BC couldn't compete with UNC. Stop trying to attribute others' statements to me when they are wholly untrue. I enjoy when BC wins or at least stays competitive. However, I do get frustrated when BC struggles because of a lack of focus or horrible coaching. If that makes me a horrible fan, then so be it. I'm just calling you out for being a complete and utter jackass to other people who are doing the same exact thing you are. It is extremely hypocritical for you to be calling someone a dick for doing things that you yourself do every week (including this one). Before you make yourself look even more ignorant, look in the mirror.

BCNorCal07 said...

This feels like on of those series where Tranq mails it in.

eagleboston said...

That would be me that said they can't be competitive, Bravesbill.

mmason said...

Shinskie isn't making those downfield throws--another friggin' tipped ball.
Just lame...

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh. New and interesting.

That was late, overthrown, and too softly thrown.

campy said...

Bad challenge. There's nothing wrong with that spot.

eagleboston said...

I don't like this challenge. If Spaz loses the challenge, we lose a timeout and since we are playing from behind, that can be critical.

Bravesbill said...

Yeah, I know. Mod is trying to say I said the same thing as well. Grasping for straws as usual.

eagleboston said...

I can't believe Davis did not call a time out before the delay of game.

BCNorCal07 said...

Carolina really self-destructed on that sequence. Pushed them out of field-goal range, too. Hopefully we can finally take advantage.

eagleboston said...

That stretch play to Harris on the outside works every time!

mmason said...

Montel is just a sweet back--from the goal line to a 1st down in 1 play with speed and a slick move. Is there any doubt who the BC MVP is? Keuchly would hand it to him today. Let's hope Montel can keep up his recent 4th qtr dominance...

BCNorCal07 said...

Three quarters in and this game really echoes what we saw last weekend againt UVa: two very good defenses (Carolina is a little better than very good), two bad offenses, lots of mistakes. Even though we're down eight, it feels like a next score wins kind of game. If Dave can gather his wits and lead a drive down the field for a touchdown . . . well, my fingers are crossed.

BCNorCal07 said...

Rich has to catch that. Catch it with his hands.

BCNorCal07 said...

Oh man. Rich has to help his QB out.

eagleboston said...

Luke!!!!!

mmason said...

Keuchly is our Ronnie Lott.

BCNorCal07 said...

Haysus!

Eagle in Brighton said...

Run the Ball!!!!

Eagle1 said...

This offense sucks.

BCNorCal07 said...

It really does. The offense really does.

Eagle in Brighton said...

Seriously: two shots at 2 yards. How do you not hand it off to Harris?

mmason said...

How many times have we thrown on 3rd and 2 in the last three games when we have Montel Harris in the game? What's with that? Shin rarely completes on 3rd down vs. a good D.

mmason said...

This is a huge defensive series...c'mon Eagles!!!

Eagle1 said...

Oh, fucking Dave, throw the ball away.

Eagle1 said...

Shinskie sucks. Time to insert Marscovetra.

mmason said...

We'll never score twice in 5 minutes with Shinskie taking the snaps...
What a terrible way to end the home stand for the seniors...

Eagle1 said...

Oh, fuck me. I give up.

BCNorCal07 said...

Shinskie looks like he's unable to throw inaccurately down the field. He consistently over-throws on the deep ball. Looking at the replay, the receiver was actually wide open. Wide open at the throw. But instead of throwing underneath the coverage or leading his receiver across the middle, he leads his deep . . . right into the coverage! Additionally, the ball should have been zipped into the receiver, a frozen rope. The middle of the field was void of defenders. Instead, Dave lofted the ball up, letting everyone run under the ball. This is exactly what Dave does every time: he throws the ball late, he throws the ball long, he lofts the ball up there. Where is the coaching on this?

BCNorCal07 said...

Show have read: "unable to throw accurately down the field".

mod34b said...

This is now comical! poor Marsco, he's better than that

eagleinexile said...

Time for Uncle Dave to go, permanently!

I'm not saying Marsco is the answer, but Shitskie shows progressions of getting worse each week, not better. It's been almost a full season and he's just not getting it. I think the ND game is what broke Shitskie's back. After that, he showed none of the good things he had done throughout the year.

Of course, as I say this, our backup throws a pick!

We should be able to to recruit, Lots of playing time at QB is available at BC!

Eagle1 said...

Do we have a good QB coming in as a freshman? God, I hope so.

mod34b said...

There will be a QB controversy in spring training for sure

mmason said...

How do we manage to embarrass ourselves so prolifically on nationally televised ball games??
UNC's defense didn't whup us as much as we pulled another ND fiasco and gave them the ball wrapped with Shinskie ribbon? And, we stopped giving Montel the ball, again, in crunch time.

mod34b said...

Here we come Nut Bowl...not so bad really.

eagleinexile said...

Yeah we F'ed this one away big time, and the two main culprits are Uncle Dave and Tranq. Granted the Offense played pretty bad all around, but Montel showed up and half of the line.

Oh by the way, FSU looks like Wake Forest did their laundry in kool aid in those unis.

This was disgusting. Hang your heads in shame, boys, this time you earned it. Defense, especially Luke, have a little reason to hold their heads up, but it's a team game, share victory, share defeat.

See you in the city by the bay!

mmason said...

As a Son of The City, The Emerald by the Bay will be a lot of fun...but Maryland is next week, and they won't just roll over, as the FSU game today illustrated. And, it's a road game... so it's a crap shoot.

The UNC game is a disappointment bigtime, but it also replays our serious weaknesses that have plagued us in every loss. We never led, we gave it away often and early, showed several flashes of great promise, bungled our opportunities, had a Jekyll/Hyde game plan, were astoundlingly predictable at key points of the game, and are clearly a work in progress bottom up and top down. ATL's diagnosis will touch on all this stuff with some enlightenment I could use right now...because we really lost this one in the final 6 minutes--and that stings most. Go Eagles!! Let's Beat the Terps and spike the finish.

bcphilly said...

when spaz gives his usual "work in progress quote" i hope he has the intestinal fortitude to include the coaching staff ... because he says we'll coach them up , however , i haven't seen any evidence of that ... e.g. the next to last possession before the fatal 4th pick off shinskie , look at the calls on that series from our own 8 , 1st down: 8 yard pass to gunell , 2nd down:20 yard pass down and out , incomplete , 3rd down: incomplete pass ... one would think that after a nice 8 yard gain and 2nd and 2 , try to move the chains and pick up 2 yards instead of throwing a 20 yard down and out ... where is the logic ? your offense is very tentative all day so why not KEEP IT SIMPLE and move the chains instead of asking your qb to make plays he hasn't been able to make all year ... 0 for 13 on third down conversions is deplorable , but some of that blame has to go to the oc and the coaching staff for not recognizing the ability of your players and giving them only what they can handle ...